Help needed over possible disciplinary please!

Ronald50

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ohreally

Imo, the issue of concern here is if the existing relationship between yourself and management is perhaps not as good as it could be, they may use this as an excuse to manage you out the door and hope to mitigate their position if you decide to bring them before a tribunal, by showing the relationship had deteriorated by you "bringing the employer into disrepute".

How if the relationship between you and management?

martinthebandit

If someone submits a formal grievance at work, no matter how frivolous (almost) then work must investigate it.

If you are the subject of a formal investigation at work then work must tell you

Which is what they have done, they are just following the correct procedure which, if you have done nothing wrong, is in your interest.

antonic

You know each other through work and that will be the reason for the investigation.

How do I know this ??

Because I was investigated (and cleared) of sexually harassing a female work colleague and even though she stated there was NO harassment at work (just in our leisure time), my employer still decided the fact we worked together was justification for the investigation.

Good luck !.

bunty109

If there's no witnesses then it's his word against yours. I don't think any employer would feel confident to sanction you based on that, especially with regards to a drunken spat out of hours. Yes, they have to investigate, but it doesn't sound like they will find much other than 2 different versions of an event.

Dogger69

Lessons to be learned here - don't get hammered at a work related event, or after one when still with colleagues. And if you don't like a colleague, keep it to yourself - what you did is asking for trouble.

Phil_68

Hi, Work are doing what they are expected as they have received a complaint against you.

It seems that you are having an investigation meeting BEFORE your disciplinary? (Yes/No)
If that is the case, then I would not worry and just go along and state your side of events, without putting a noose round your neck

If a manager has said that he is being watched, then they may be covering their backs in case he knows or feels this and he may bring a case against them.

Write down your side of the story, to see how it looks and then water down points that you feel could be damaging to you, but don't lie. It is ok to not like someone.

Maybe a letter like.....
There was a leavers party for a colleague, there were some colleagues and friends in attendance and the night was an enjoyable one. Towards the end of the evening, the party was fizzling out and myself, a friend of mine and the leaver went on to another venue. Mr X was also at this later venue and tried to join our private gathering, Mr X is not someone who I consider a personal friend, just a colleague. I asked him kindly to leave me to enjoy the company of my friends and he became agitated and started to create a scene. In the heat of the moment and under the influence of alcohol I vented my feelings towards him in a personal capacity. At no time did I mention our relationship as colleagues or did I mention our company, except to say that he is only someone I work with and you are not a personal friend.
His actions were uncalled for and his presence has left a sour reminder of what should have been a celebration evening. I have not shown him any discourse at any time during my working life and feel he has taken a personal slant and engaged it as a work place issue.
Blah blah blah at the end.

When is the investigation meeting?

Phil.

Phil_68

In that case, the least said the better, just give your version of events, without malice, and say you are shocked that he feels HE has brought a personal matter into work.

Let them decide on the next move, so the less you say now can't hang you in the future.

Phil_68

Don't overthink at this stage, keep things simple.

State your side in an INVESTIGATION meeting. Express surprise and shock that he feels the need to raise a private grudge in a private setting and drag it into work. Express in the meeting that you MAY feel the need to raise a grievance against him for harassment in the workplace.

It will be important to stay calm and focussed. If you express any anger it may give them reason to believe his side.

Your manager should not have told you anything before the investigation, so my thoughts are he was wording you up to give you a small headstart.

KISS = keep it short and simple.

Phil.

Dovah_diva

This seems incredibly harsh of the employer and I really hope you come out fighting hard. Do keep us informed of the outcome

redpete

Phil_68 wrote: »

Maybe a letter like.....
I asked him kindly to leave me to enjoy the company of my friends...

except that the OP said:

I'd had a few and when this fella turned up, I told him in no uncertain terms that he wasn't welcome at what was now a private personal drink

I'd say the OP is in a fairly strong position without massaging the facts.