Madeleine's Fund : Leaving No Stone Unturned

TBeckett100

here is my two penneth.

I do care about the missing girl. Likely she is dead somewhere due to the over hype. otherwise who can risk moving her round?

The parents made a faux pas today "oh i would go anywhere in europe to find her". Well, what about the sighting in Africa?

Talking of Africa, exactly how many children, someones children die each day because they cant eat? Setting up funds for rich parents to find their lost child is stupid, she is gone cest la vie.

Maybe we need to think about the children who die through no fault of their parents, those who suffer human tragedy. sadly dying africans don;t sell papers, stupid parents do.

TBeckett100

i also lay eggs as eggs that there is more to this than meets the eye.

emmaroids

TBeckett100 wrote: »

here is my two penneth.

I do not care about the missing girl.

i agree with you apart from this bit, i hope she is found, i doubt it will happen though.

alimac23

TBeckett100 wrote: »

i also lay eggs as eggs that there is more to this than meets the eye.[/QUOTE

Like what?

EagerLearner

I have not seen any news today so don't know if there is any further development - I agree with others on here that it is not for us to blame the parents, blame the country it happened in or blame anyone - it's a horrible thing that has happened and the main thing is to try and find her.

In time, if the parents had 'fault' and this is all truly down to them when the facts all come out, all those who have been pointing fingers on here will be proven right and sleep fitfully.

It won't stop other terrible events from happening, mistakes from being made by parents, and it won't stop the fact that millions of children in the Uk, Portugal, Africa and other countries won't have the benefit of the money Madeleine has had, will still be lost, still be poor or still be ill.

Please don't let this affect how you think about Portugal, it is a beautiful place and they are doing all they can to help in this tragic case.

BWZN93

Lifeisbutadream wrote: »

Kate McCann works part time.

We have no idea of their salaries or their debts.

IMO it looks like jealousy is playing a large part in the spitefulness towards the McCanns.

(Lifeisbutadream - I dont expect you to change your views - however, I am not saying horrible things about them, this is real life - their child is missing, they want help, they need to be honest about what they did and show that they even comprehend why they thier actions allowed this event to unfold.)

Hang on just a bloody second though! I am not jealous of them in any single way. I am perfectly happy with my own life and would not wish to swap with that of another. Im not jealous of the money the may or may not earn, im not jealous that they are on holiday, im not jealous that they are married, or have kids, my self esteem is just dandy too, thank you - or anything else for that matter.

Similarly, I am not spiteful towards them, I dont write on MSE to get on my soap box and Im not here to show how perfect I am in comparison, HOWEVER - If this issue is going to be pumped into my home/work/wherever on an hourly basis with soundbites such as Team McCann and Fighting Funds (fulltimemum is right here - it makes me uncomfortable too in the speed that this was organised), then I do have a right to question whats going on, just as I have a right to question politicians, celebrities, and any one else that happens to want my attention via the media. (BTW - Maybe they should have put this much effort into looking after their kids and now they wouldnt be having to come up with yet another slogan to keep themselves in the media spotlight.) I will say it again too, I am thoroughly grateful that not everyone swallows the media stories and just goes along with it - its nice to see that people think for themselves and and also wonder why clearly bad parenting has not been made an issue of. Anyway, I digress.

I have posted on this thread because I genuinely am disturbed by the logic of the two parents being discussed at present, and the total lack of media attention to the imbecilic behaviour of the parents. Isnt it the lack of effective parenting/family structure that is blamed for most of society's problems? Why is it not an issue in the McCann case?

It seems that their family are being very supportive and are denying any failings on behalf of the McCann parents. Seems safe to presume that the extended family are either lying or equally imbecillic. Do they leave their children at home alone too? If they want compassion and help then they need to be a bit more honest - not just ride people for their resources in an attempt to repair the damage they allowed to happen without having to justify why they deserve the help. Please dont also tell me they dont need to justify their actions - yes, they do - we dont live in a world where whatever you want is given unquestionably. Maybe the attitude of people here would soften if they did admit their failings as parents as im sure many people can sympathise with that emotion. What is getting my back up about this whole thing is that they side step the issue like it doesnt matter - when it does. Im not out to slate parents who make mistakes, hell, my own parents made enough of them - but they always had the decency to admit when they were wrong.

As for comments such as "If a parent gave a child a gobstopper to eat and then the child started choking...would you A...start hurling abuse at the parent for giving it to the child or...B. try and do what you can to help...?", again, the issue here is intent. If the parent intended the child to choke on a sweet then most people here would go and hurl abuse (after helping of course - given that the situation is possible to help).

Finally, if they really wanted to go on holiday and not take care of the children then they should have just left the children at home with their family - not abandon them because they cant keep up with mummy and daddy's boozing and need a reasonable bedtime.

As for parents that have been slated for neglecting children - are you really asking that question??? A google search brings up THOUSANDS of references to cases where children were left alone while the parents pursued their own ends. http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=mother+jailed+for+neglect&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=parents+jailed+for+neglect&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=child+alone+burned&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Jo x

HugoSP

ben500 wrote: »

Maybe some of us think this horror story is turning into a cash cow.

If you refer to the fund, the fund was set up to manage donations already coming in. You may remember that Gerry McCanns colleagues at Leicester General Hospital collected around £10,000 without any request from the family.

There will be costs associated with this situation. The family have said that any remaining funds once she has been found will go towards helping other families who have suffered child abductions in the UK and Portugal. I don't think that there is any indication that they will just get rich on surplus funds.

TBH the setting up of the fund was the best thing that they could do in the light of a number of people deciding to offer financial help - which, we must all understand, the McCanns will need.

Today Gerry McCann discounted the possibility of hiring a private detective, until such time he is not satified with what the Police are doing.

SO, no - this isn't becoming a cash cow for the McCanns. It is however becoming a focus for a number of negative comments over stuff that has happened that, I feel, should be saved until this tragedy has unfolded to its natural conclusion, and the family have had sufficient time to enjoy her safe return or grieve her loss - whichever is appropriate.

As for what they are doing now. They are using the media in any way they can to raise the profile of the case. I wish them the best of luck. If it was my child I hope I would be as successful as they are. I personally don't care if they are using any advantage that comes to them to remain inthe media spotlight - regardless of background, education, contacts, profession. That is exactly how things get done in this world. If they simply got hung up about how unfair their advantage was then the chances of finding their child would no doubt diminish rapidly.

People may not like the publicity they're getting but I hope ANYONE here would act in their best interests if they felt they could respond with information as a result of that publicity. I challenge anyone to argue with me there.

Errata

Today Gerry McCann discounted the possibility of hiring a private detective, until such time he is not satified with what the Police are doing.

The McCanns have hired the International Law Group, a legal firm that specialises in divorce and child abduction. ILG may well feel the need to hire detectives - that's probably what they've done in previous abduction cases they've handled.
Clearly the whole situation is making many people feel uneasy, for many reasons, and unsettled. I feel I would respond wholeheartedly if the parents said something like "We made a terrible mistake, our suffering is beyond belief. We are desparate, please help us".

emmaroids

Errata wrote: »

Today Gerry McCann discounted the possibility of hiring a private detective, until such time he is not satified with what the Police are doing.

The McCanns have hired the International Law Group, a legal firm that specialises in divorce and child abduction. ILG may well feel the need to hire detectives - that's probably what they've done in previous abduction cases they've handled.
Clearly the whole situation is making many people feel uneasy, for many reasons, and unsettled. I feel I would respond wholeheartedly if the parents said something like "We made a terrible mistake, our suffering is beyond belief. We are desparate, please help us".

i just seen them on the telly, there seems to be no emotion or sadness in his voice no guilt either, it was a very sterile speech imo almost robot like.

HugoSP

Errata wrote: »

......... I feel I would respond wholeheartedly if the parents said something like "We made a terrible mistake, our suffering is beyond belief. We are desparate, please help us".

....so who says they deserve to get the child back less just because they won't admit to a 'mistake'?

Just as people here don't agree over everything, they may not agree that they made such a mistake, or wish to dwell on that soul searching exercise at the moment. Clearly the focus is on finding Madeleine, which is exactly where it should be.

My guess is that councellors and liaison officers etc are keen to steer them away from self beratement, and for very good reason. There is every point to concentrate the mind on what can be done now and none whatsoever in saying "I told you so, you've been bad parents etc"

Why would it make you feel better to hear them say that they are wrong? I fail to understand.