Madeleine's Fund : Leaving No Stone Unturned

emmaroids

Lifeisbutadream wrote: »

And they are hardly likely to leave their children alone again are they?

ahh well that makes it all right then.

seashore321

God forbid that this should happen to anyone! I hope and pray that Madeline will be returned safely. We can all question the rights and wrongs of the case. But give some thought to Ben Needhams family who where never given this amount of support and struggled on on their own and are still waiting for answers after nearly (I think 18 years). I pray that one day they will both be found fit and healthy. And also not too damaged.


Whosever is perfect then let them cast the first stone. Badly misquoted from the bible but???

ben500

Lifeisbutadream wrote: »

Tapas bars dont generally sell steak and chips. No but I would imagine the local eateries do when they return to the UK which is after all their place of residence hence my reference to the menu.

And they are hardly likely to leave their children alone again are they?
Well for me that certainly isn't a given as I can't understand how the did it this time, and don't forget these people and their families have been justifying their actions despite their current predicament.

I'm well aware of what a Tapas bar is, my reference was to the future on their return as I hardly think those children are at much risk at the moment with the spotlight on the family.
I also don't subscribe to the opinion that because of their current plight they can be relied on not to do something equally perilous with their offspring in the future as their obvious learned nature clearly didn't help and guide them in the first place.

Lifeisbutadream

I am actually cross with myself for getting into another debate about this.

My views will never change. I just cannot justify anyone saying these terrible things about this family, who are bound to be feeling the worst kind of pain at the moment.

I also feel very sorry for anyone who does feel the need to say spiteful things, because they obviously have issues themselves and can not empathise with anyone other than themselves and what they themselves think is right.

So I will agree to disagree and move on.

:wave:

emmaroids

Lifeisbutadream wrote: »

I just cannot justify anyone saying these terrible things about this family,

ok i will say something nice about them shall i??

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sorry i just cant.

speedyjoe

I think we should leave off the abuse, they must be feeling terrible. If I had done something so incredibly idiotically stupid that had led to one of my children being snatched by whoever then I would not be able to live with myself. The guilt I would feel would make my life not worth living.

seashore321

Maybe you can't say anything nice. I understand that ..some of us may feel the same but whatever we feel Madeleine is the one we should all be thinking of and hoping and praying, religious or not, that she comes home safely. Afterwards whatever the outcome the family then will have to deal with it and whatever a court of law or anybody says they will never forgive themselves.. so maybe we should. And maybe there but for the grace of god...

morg_monster

I was thinking about the Ben Needham today. I think your comparison is slightly unfair - surely much of the increased coverage is down to the different way news is carried these days (ie so much on the internet, etc). But apart from that they are similar and it must be heartbreaking for his family to see this happening again.

I can see the point about "if they were working class it wouldn't be like this..." but i would take that argument to a different conclusion: next time something like this happens to a working class / single parent family everyone should be saying to the media "get off their case, you weren't like this with the McCanns" rather than treating the McCanns the way the newspaper may have treated similar ways in the past.

Also I can't really remember a time when a child went missing and the family was absolutely slated like people say they would be - eg when Sarah Payne went missing it wasn't like that was it? and they weren't really that upper/middle class were they? maybe that was cos someone was accused early on (i can't remember how long it took to find him).

i also don't really know if its cos they are wealthy/u-m class that the tabloids are treating them differently. The way they have managed/manipulated the media is very canny, they have released a different piece of news every day, and a different photo every day, and never restricted telling their story to just one paper, thus ensuring they are staying in the news. With this kind of media-savviness i don' think the papers can help but love them?! It does seem unfair that poorer families wouldn't have the same resources at their disposal in this situation but thats the way the cookie crumbles i guess. shame the cookie is a child here.

also i feel like a lot of the complaints aimed at the McCanns is based on how they conduct themselves - they haven't broken down in public, the dad gives clear, almost emotionless appeals on the TV, no weepy police conferences or sobbing. It might seem cold to someone more openly affectionate who wears their heart on their sleeve, but who are any of us to dictate how a person reacts to such a situation? maybe they are just not into displays of emotion? that in itself that is no reason to be suspicious or think they 'deserved this to happen'.

ben500

Lifeisbutadream wrote: »

I am actually cross with myself for getting into another debate about this.

My views will never change. I just cannot justify anyone saying these terrible things about this family, who are bound to be feeling the worst kind of pain at the moment.

I also feel very sorry for anyone who does feel the need to say spiteful things, because they obviously have issues themselves and can not empathise with anyone other than themselves and what they themselves think is right.

So I will agree to disagree and move on.

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What terrible and spiteful things are you referring to? And how is throwing a few sniping remarks at those that don't agree with you agreeing to disagree?

HugoSP

RACHIE77 wrote: »

I'm not one to be put in little boxes, but since I feel that the way the McCanns acted was not right, and voiced my opinion in this thread, I will assume that some of your comments were directed at me so will have a go at answering you.

Rachie

Actually my post was not aimed at you. You made a statement concerning the child minding arrangements that they put in place, which I cannot see eye to eye 100%, but that didn't bother me.

There are others here who seemed to just live to critisize. Most of the time I can tune out when they speak but their holier than thou attitude really gets my goat:mad: But don't put yourself in that box.

One point you mentioned that I will pick up on though. You say the McCanns are claiming they acted responsibly on that night in question. Some say they did, others say they didn't. Maybe the McCanns feel under considerable pressure to claim that they did, for fear of letting their guilt overcome them, or even worse for fear of being judged/written off as irresponsible by the holier than thou club, some of whom subscribe to this thread.......IMO this is quite understandable.