Baroness Thatcher passed away

StevieJ

ukcarper wrote: »

Just because future administrations don't reverse policies it does not mean the people who made them in the first place are not responsible.

Especially when they have blown all the cash from the sale of the 'family jewels' on tax cuts for the rich and the dole/invalidity payments?

ukcarper

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I am aware, hence why I specifically stated "and publicised it" (post 321) to make the point that she made a change and went about publicising it.

You are now telling me I'm not aware how much it was publicised.

I am aware, hence why I made the point.

This still has nothing to do with your laying the blame of BTL on thatcher though.

What point you said Labour publicised it which they didn't.

Without the sale of council houses there would be less people living in BTLs on LHA and without the relaxation of letting regulations less people would have ventured into BTL.

Graham_Devon

ukcarper wrote: »

What point you said Labour publicised it which they didn't.

I have never said such a thing. I stated thatcher created right to buy and publicised it:

Graham_Devon wrote: »

The sale of council houses was happening before thatcher took power. It's only the "right to buy" as in you had a right (whereas previously councils could discriminate) to buy that thatcher implemented and publicised it.

Without the sale of council houses there would be less people living in BTLs on LHA and without the relaxation of letting regulations less people would have ventured into BTL.

And more people still living on council sink estates.

I just don't really get how you can blame thatcher for a string of events. I also don't get how string of events goes back as far as thatcher and then stops. Thatcher herself is a result of a string of events.

So based on where we are now, we could start blaming the unions for BTL. It's just a case of how far back you want to delve into the string of events, which, no one at the time could have forseen.

ukcarper

Graham_Devon wrote: »

This is what I referenced earlier. You wish to blame someone who left power over a decade earlier for something labour encouraged.

She was the "architect" others have stated, as you have too.

I don't really agree with this though. I'm not sure what the insult is about. Thatcher cannot be attributed to, or blamed for something which happened long after she left power, and something which happened under a different party.

Though if this is the case, we could simply blame tony blair for anything that happens under the colaition....which I'm not sure you would agree with.

What's that then

ukcarper

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I have never said such a thing. I stated thatcher created right to buy and publicised it:




And more people still living on council sink estates.

I just don't really get how you can blame thatcher for a string of events. I also don't get how string of events goes back as far as thatcher and then stops. Thatcher herself is a result of a string of events.

So based on where we are now, we could start blaming the unions for BTL. It's just a case of how far back you want to delve into the string of events, which, no one at the time could have forseen.

The wholesale selling of council houses was started and encouraged by the Thatcher government and the relaxation of private letting laws that made BTL more profitable was under the same government so of coarse they are responsible.

dryhat

As I said before, I think the biggest problem was prohibiting the councils from building more houses with the proceeds of right-to-buy.

That was done not for political or economic reasons but out of spite.

And is a big stain on her character and leadership.

ILW

ukcarper wrote: »

The wholesale selling of council houses was started and encouraged by the Thatcher government and the relaxation of private letting laws that made BTL more profitable was under the same government so of coarse they are responsible.

Surely BTL is a good thing.
It has allowed hundreds of thousands of people to buy second or third properties without having to pay for them.
How can that be bad?

Graham_Devon

Uncanny.

In DT they are now discussing (well, at least the known lefties) how prosperous and easy the 70's were, before thatcher took over. Houses were cheap, wages were good, jobs a plenty. The unions didn't strike that much apparently and the power going out was a none issue. Thatcher apparently came along and ruined it all.

Yet they had it so hard (and much harder than today) if you look on other threads.

On the ITV news last night? What do you see? NIMBY's looking out over fields moaning that the industry once took up the whole landscape.

Don't know what to believe anymore.

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Uncanny.

In DT they are now discussing (well, at least the known lefties) how prosperous and easy the 70's were, before thatcher took over. Houses were cheap, wages were good, jobs a plenty. The unions didn't strike that much apparently and the power going out was a none issue. Thatcher apparently came along and ruined it all.

Yet they had it so hard (and much harder than today) if you look on other threads.

On the ITV news last night? What do you see? NIMBY's looking out over fields moaning that the industry once took up the whole landscape.

Don't know what to believe anymore.

Graham, I wouldn't wish the '70's (or '80's on you) - they were s**t.

I'd much rather be here than there. Central heating, double glazing, colour telly, 'phone that isn't on the street corner, internet, shops open on Wednesday afternoon and Sunday, foreign holidays etc. Cushty.

ILW

wotsthat wrote: »

Graham, I wouldn't wish the '70's (or '80's on you) - they were s**t.

I'd much rather be here than there. Central heating, double glazing, colour telly, 'phone that isn't on the street corner, internet, shops open on Wednesday afternoon and Sunday, foreign holidays etc. Cushty.

I was a teenager through most of the 70s. Thought it was great.