Baroness Thatcher passed away

neverdespairgirl

CLAPTON wrote: »

Well, the figures show that the reduction in mining during Thatcher years was less that in the period prior and less that the period after her.

Coal mining was declining from the late 50s with cheaper imported coal and then north sea gas.

ISTR that the peak for coal production in the UK was 1913 - a century ago, and downhill all the way from there.

Late_To_Bed

I respect the right of those who admired Thatcher to mourn her death.

I just want those who do mourn her death to respect my right to celebrate.

Fair do's.

Generali

Late_To_Bed wrote: »

I respect the right of those who admired Thatcher to mourn her death.

I just want those who do mourn her death to respect my right to celebrate.

Fair do's.

In a free society you have freedom of action and politicians like Thatcher kept us free from Communism.

As Lady Thatcher said, "When Socialists cry 'Power to the People'...we all know they really mean power over people, power to the State".

Thankfully, her Governments saved the UK from generations of servitude.

chucknorris

Late_To_Bed wrote: »

I respect the right of those who admired Thatcher to mourn her death.

I just want those who do mourn her death to respect my right to celebrate.

Fair do's.

You don't see the difference between mourning and publicly celebrating someone's death?

Also why does it have to include starting fires, damaging a police car (that we all pay for with our taxes), throwing cans and bottles at policemen, hospitalising a policeman and smashing the windows of a charity shop?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/police-arrests-thatcher-death-parties

RJP33

One of the most interesting things is despite how much Labour claimed to hate her policies, how much did they actually reverse in their 13 years of office?

In terms of major policies, time has proven her mostly right.

ukcarper

RJP33 wrote: »

One of the most interesting things is despite how much Labour claimed to hate her policies, how much did they actually reverse in their 13 years of office?

In terms of major policies, time has proven her mostly right.

That depends on where you are sitting

chewmylegoff

Generali wrote: »

Look at the photos of the few hundred at 'street parties': middle class, white kids drinking champagne and Red Stripe. Typical Socialist Workers IME. Thr only close mate of mine that joined that movement is now a multimillionaire from a large inheritance!

It is quite revealing IMO. Even the pictures of the Brixton one suggest that it was largely populated by white middle class undergrads who probably think that publicly hating thatcher is a prerequisite of being socialist. Smash the system....for three years then get a job as something in the city.

Graham_Devon

One thing thats interesting is the mindsets of individuals. And this has bought forward some amazing reading.

It's quite something that we are intelligent creatures, but we can somehow convince ourselves of our own arguments, regardless of how flawed the logic.

For example, in DT, several labour supporters have convinced themselves that tax credits, the minimum wage and buy to let was maggies fault. All these things were done over a decade after she left office and when Labour were in power.

I lost the will to discuss further in DT. The way people can convince themselves and each other that everything stems back to one person, even if that thing existed before she was even put in office, is beyond all reasoning.

The interesting thing for me is this:

- Labour can create a system of tax credits and the minimum wage which is described as oppressive.
- It's thatchers fault labour did this as she was the architect which allowed this to happen
- The tories are nasty and vile for trying to change it.
- Only labour can change it but labour wouldn't change it anyway as they care for the sick and disabled.

So, it's maggies fault for having such a system and she should be deplored for this oppressive regime which has allowed the elite to pay us peanuts, but labour won't change it and that's right as this system looks after the sick and disabled.

Either way, labour come out on top every time.

bigheadxx

RJP33 wrote: »

One of the most interesting things is despite how much Labour claimed to hate her policies, how much did they actually reverse in their 13 years of office?

In terms of major policies, time has proven her mostly right.

They cashed in on a golden economic legacy which in the most part was thanks to her policies. Labour STILL managed to run out of other people's money and ruin the nations finances, its a disgrace given what they started with.

ukcarper

Graham_Devon wrote: »

One thing thats interesting is the mindsets of individuals. And this has bought forward some amazing reading.

It's quite something that we are intelligent creatures, but we can somehow convince ourselves of our own arguments, regardless of how flawed the logic.

For example, in DT, several labour supporters have convinced themselves that tax credits, the minimum wage and buy to let was maggies fault. All these things were done over a decade after she left office and when Labour were in power.

I lost the will to discuss further in DT. The way people can convince themselves and each other that everything stems back to one person, even if that thing existed before she was even put in office, is beyond all reasoning.

The interesting thing for me is this:

- Labour can create a system of tax credits and the minimum wage which is described as oppressive.
- It's thatchers fault labour did this as she was the architect which allowed this to happen
- The tories are nasty and vile for trying to change it.
- Only labour can change it but labour wouldn't change it anyway as they care for the sick and disabled.

So, it's maggies fault for having such a system and she should be deplored for this oppressive regime which has allowed the elite to pay us peanuts, but labour won't change it and that's right as this system looks after the sick and disabled.

Either way, labour come out on top every time.

The Housing Act 1988 produced massive upheaval for the HB system. The Act began the deregulation of private sector rents, reduced protection for tenants and removed the right to independent assessment of "Fair Rents".

This plus sale of council houses might have sown the seeds of BTL