Baroness Thatcher passed away

ess0two

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I'm currently on the train home from London in the quiet carriage of the 20.20 to Reading. There are three people on the phone, one of them is basically shouting and everyone has got a bag next to them so there are no empty seats and one person (who is on the phone) is having to stand up.

I blame Maggie for this ingrained selfishness. I blame Tony Blair for the fact that I've just put my headphones in and ignored it rather than saying something.

Your just adding to the problem,grow a set and say something,otherwise live with it instead of moaning.

Kennyboy66

Generali wrote: »

The reason why so many on the left are so vitriolic about Maggie is that she destroyed the hard left forever in the UK and, along with Reagan, destroyed Communism in Europe.

They will never forgive her for it and she saw it as one of her great achievements I believe.

Other than a tiny minority of 'the left' this is blinkered nonsense.

It makes as much sense as saying that the reason the right loved and fetishise her is because she was a friend of apartheid South Africa, Pinochet and the genocidal Suharto.

Come to think of it, her "standing up for freedom and liberty" must sound a bit hollow if you were a black South African or an East Timorese during the 1980's.

Generali

Kennyboy66 wrote: »

Other than a tiny minority of 'the left' this is blinkered nonsense.

No it's not, it's simply an observation of what I see.

If it was because of her caustic side or because of her fellow travelers then I think the hatred would be spread wider but let's face it, the hatred comes from the hard left and Millitant trade unionists, the power bases that her Governments went a long way to destroying.

Foot vs Thatcher was an existentialist struggle for the hard left and the left lost.

chewmylegoff

Generali wrote: »

No it's not, it's simply an observation of what I see.

If it was because of her caustic side or because of her fellow travelers then I think the hatred would be spread wider but let's face it, the hatred comes from the hard left and Millitant trade unionists, the power bases that her Governments went a long way to destroying.

Foot vs Thatcher was an existentialist struggle for the hard left and the left lost.

With the exceptional of a handful of union tools and bitter left wing politicians most of the people I have heard say they're glad she is dead are actually far too young to have actually formed their opinions first hand. One of the people at work who was at Cambridge (very recently) said that the student union at King's Cambridge have it written into constitution that they have to have a party when Thatcher died. No doubt they'll follow through despite the fact all their current members were not even born when she left office.

Generali

chewmylegoff wrote: »

With the exceptional of a handful of union tools and bitter left wing politicians most of the people I have heard say they're glad she is dead are actually far too young to have actually formed their opinions first hand. One of the people at work who was at Cambridge (very recently) said that the student union at King's Cambridge have it written into constitution that they have to have a party when Thatcher died. No doubt they'll follow through despite the fact all their current members were not even born when she left office.

Look at the photos of the few hundred at 'street parties': middle class, white kids drinking champagne and Red Stripe. Typical Socialist Workers IME. Thr only close mate of mine that joined that movement is now a multimillionaire from a large inheritance!

Graham_Devon

Generali wrote: »

Look at the photos of the few hundred at 'street parties': middle class, white kids drinking champagne and Red Stripe. Typical Socialist Workers IME. Thr only close mate of mine that joined that movement is now a multimillionaire from a large inheritance!

The independant have picked up on the left thing. Certainly backs you up.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/anger-on-the-left-anxious-labour-mainstream-moves-to-distance-itself-from-hardliners-celebrations-after-margaret-thatchers-death-8565095.html

Pictures rather apt to the recent discussion surrounding the young too.

The mirror (also on the left) is celebrating the celebrations as it were, with pictures such as this:



The guardian went to town on those not celebrating, by claiming these people calling for respect as the "righteous". The irony of the guardian claming that anyone not celebrating someones death is righteous was hard to ignore!

BobQ

chewmylegoff wrote: »

With the exceptional of a handful of union tools and bitter left wing politicians most of the people I have heard say they're glad she is dead are actually far too young to have actually formed their opinions first hand. One of the people at work who was at Cambridge (very recently) said that the student union at King's Cambridge have it written into constitution that they have to have a party when Thatcher died. No doubt they'll follow through despite the fact all their current members were not even born when she left office.

Maybe its just a plot by Young Conservatives to discredit criticism of Thatcher. After all its a tactic that was used very successfully in the 1980s when agent provocateurs were introduced to undermine the unions (not that they needed much help in any case)?

Generali

BobQ wrote: »

Maybe its just a plot by Young Conservatives to discredit criticism of Thatcher. After all its a tactic that was used very successfully in the 1980s when agent provocateurs were introduced to undermine the unions (not that they needed much help in any case)?

Ha ha, quite possibly.

The unions destroyed themselves in the 1970s when they tried to destroy moderate Socialism and bring in what amounted to Communism.

By that time it was obvious what was going on in the USSR etc and nobody with an ounce of sense in their heads wanted a bar of it. The Winter of Discontent and the installation of Foot as leader was the last roll of the dice for them.

When Foot lost and Kinnock got in, the war was lost for the Trotskyites during the purge of Millitant Tendancy.

markharding557

I have always admired Neil kinnock, He battled the Militant and Maggie at the same time for seven years until her own party did for her.
I can't imagine many politicians relishing that today.

bigheadxx

BobQ wrote: »

Its true that mining communities were already in decline anyway but it was not just mining villages. For one who has been credited with having a clear vision, Thatcher simply focussed on accelerating the decline of skilled employment and replaced it with low skill/pay service jobs. The strategy was based on increasing social divisions rather than improving the economy.

Skilled employment was in fact "specialist craft" jobs that were long obselete and unheard of in other countries. Practices were well out of date in this country, public money was simply feeding into the pay packets of trade union members in the exact same way it did during the Blair years but under a different guise.

We should remember that by 1997 this country has almost completely closed its current account deficit which was entirely due to the policies of Mrs Thatcher and that our balance of payments only began rising to alarming levels due to the economic policy of the Blair government which saw many manufacturing jobs disappear, especially at the lower end of the economy in large part due to the introduction of the NMW.

It is thanks to Thatcher that we now actually manufacture and export more cars than ever before, high paying, skilled manufacturing jobs brought about by record foreign investment into this country that would not have been possible with a Labour (or any other) government in the grips of trade unions and excessive taxation and borrowing.

Witout Mrs T yes we may have had a British owned car manufacturer, but would anybody have actually wanted to buy one? How many Rover cars were actually exported?