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murrayfan_2

I agree, and it all stinks.

I don't use disabled bays either, even though I'm presumably entitled to, and I don't use them for my son, we only use them for my husband because he is very immobile. If everyone was just a little bit thoughtful in life we wouldn't have half these problems with parking and pretty much everything else too.

Stroma

If you were wondering what disabled charity is in bed with the parking companies

Here is a who's who of scammers
http://www.disabledmotoring.org/membership/corporate-members/

Coupon-mad

murrayfan wrote: »

Anyway, I've done some research myself this morning. It seems that it's only acceptable to use disabled bays if you have a genuine disability, and if you are sent a penalty notice, the correct thing to do is write back with proof of your disability. So if you are disabled there won't be an issue.

It would be almost OK if that were true...but tell that to Caryl2506 who had to threaten a Retail Park with Small Claims Court for disability discrimination before the fake PCN was dropped (she did appeal in the usual way at first, in good faith with a copy of her Mum's Blue Badge and was flatly denied by the scammer PPC):

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4244645

There are plenty of other cases like that one on here and that's the sort of innocent person we are fighting this issue for!

On pepipoo, new poster trubster has learned a lot since posting for help there and is about to issue Court papers for monetary damages over a similar issue when parking with his son who is on the highest rate disability living allowance - and the car had a disabled car tax disc, and all parties have been told about the disability with proof. Yet the Retail Park is useless and the PPC has refused to cancel the fake PCN and will be increasing their demands and issuing debt collector threats soon:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=75213

...trubster's son's old BB was not renewed recently because a feature of his medical condition makes having a photo taken a huge issue for him.

And a PPC thinks they can profit from that even though they are breaching the Equality Act!

:mad:

atilla

murrayfan wrote: »

Anyway, I've done some research myself this morning. It seems that it's only acceptable to use disabled bays if you have a genuine disability, and if you are sent a penalty notice, the correct thing to do is write back with proof of your disability. So if you are disabled there won't be an issue.

I humbly suggest you research a bit more then.
And what's with the discrimination.??
I asked you yesterday if you have to prove you are able bodied.

Half_way

On pepipoo, new poster trubster has learned a lot since posting for help there and is about to issue Court papers for monetary damages over a similar issue when parking with his son who is on the highest rate disability living allowance - and the car had a disabled car tax disc, and all parties have been told about the disability with proof. Yet the Retail Park is useless and the PPC has refused to cancel the fake PCN and will be increasing their demands and issuing debt collector threats soon:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=75213

...trubster's son's old BB was not renewed recently because a feature of his medical condition makes having a photo taken a huge issue for him.

And a PPC thinks they can profit from that even though they are breaching the Equality Act!

And hopefuly trubster will have the retail park firmly in his/her sights, those who let these PPc companies opperate on their land as their agents should be fully aware of what they ( the ppcs) are up to, and how they opperate, ignorance is no excuse.

murrayfan_2

atilla wrote: »

I humbly suggest you research a bit more then.
And what's with the discrimination.??
I asked you yesterday if you have to prove you are able bodied.

Please, don't be so silly :mad:. It's not discrimination, if I was able to drive, I would use an 'ordinary' parking bay so wouldn't have to 'prove' anything. My point is that from what I've read, you either have to have a blue badge, or 'consider yourself disabled' to be able to legally use a disabled bay, and the latter 'requires proof'.

If you think what I said is 'discriminiation', then maybe you'd prefer we didn't have any disabled bays atall, as surely they are discriminatory in themselves?. I just find it unfair that seemingly everyone can use disabled parking bays in private car parks, that's what I'm annoyed about.

Stroma

murrayfan wrote: »

Please, don't be so silly :mad:. It's not discrimination, if I was able to drive, I would use an 'ordinary' parking bay so wouldn't have to 'prove' anything. My point is that from what I've read, you either have to have a blue badge, or 'consider yourself disabled' to be able to legally use a disabled bay, and the latter 'requires proof'.

If you think what I said is 'discriminiation', then maybe you'd prefer we didn't have any disabled bays atall, as surely they are discriminatory in themselves?.

It doesn't need proof on private land, as there is no proof that applies there , the blue badge scheme is for public land like the main highways or council car parks. The parking companies simply see disabled motorists or their passengers as a cash cow.

For example there is a facility for the councils in Scotland to enforce disabled bays in private car parks, but the take up is minutely small, I mean in single figures, the reason is that the parking companies are not interested in losing their main income stream in a car park.

A time limit like what Parking Eye does is actually discrimination because they solely go on time, and as the Equality Act states that reasonable adjustments must be made, when they turn down appeals by people who are disabled they are actually in breach, and so are the retailer/s or landlord as the parking company are their agents, and they are also responsible for them.

murrayfan_2

Stroma wrote: »

It doesn't need proof on private land, as there is no proof that applies there , the blue badge scheme is for public land like the main highways or council car parks. The parking companies simply see disabled motorists or their passengers as a cash cow.

For example there is a facility for the councils in Scotland to enforce disabled bays in private car parks, but the take up is minutely small, I mean in single figures, the reason is that the parking companies are not interested in losing their main income stream in a car park.

A time limit like what Parking Eye does is actually discrimination because they solely go on time, and as the Equality Act states that reasonable adjustments must be made, when they turn down appeals by people who are disabled they are actually in breach, and so are the retailer/s or landlord as the parking company are their agents, and they are also responsible for them.

Well what I read must have been wrong then. It said that you should 'check private car parks as they have their own policies'. It went on to say that anyone can use bays marked for badge holders in private car parks, even if they don't have a blue badge (because they don't need one, of you see what I mean ) if they consider themselves disabled. It went on to say that this should be proved when appealing against penalties. I will try to find the site I read this on.

So to clarify (and thanks for your patience ) ANYONE can use a disabled bay in a private car park, yes?. And just ignore the notices and penalties?.

As an aside, I noticed today that one of our local private car parks is now restricting the use of their paltry 2 disabled bays to 2 hours, the rest of the car park is unlimited, and everyone pays the same. Is that also illegal?.

murrayfan_2

Can I report the owners of my local car park, who've just put their car park in the hands of one of these 'scammers' to the Police then?. Will they make them remove the blue badge notices?.

Stroma

ManxRed wrote: »

I’m sorry, but can we put this to bed and leave the original poster’s thread alone for us to offer advice without all the confusion that this side-issue has brought up?

Manchester City Council:

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/279/disabled_people-parking_permits-blue_badge/322/blue_badge_parking_scheme/4

Could I use my badge in hospital and supermarket car parks?

Yes, where you see the signs for disabled parking. The law on parking concessions for blue badge holders does not apply to parking facilities on private land and so are not legally enforceable.

Kirklees Council:

http://www.kirklees.gov.uk/community/careSupport/gettingOut/blueBadgeScheme.aspx

It does not:

· apply to off-street car parks, like supermarkets and hospitals, or privately owned roads.

NI Direct: http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/the-blue-badge-parking-scheme

The Blue Badge scheme does not apply to off-street car parks, private roads or at most airports.

Also see the link on that page to the leaflet ‘The Disabled Persons Badge Scheme.

http://applications.drdni.gov.uk/publications/document.asp?docid=23874

At the top of section 6 on page 8 it makes it clear that the Blue Badge scheme does not apply on private roads or off-street car parks.

murrayfan wrote: »

Well what I read must have been wrong then. It said that you should 'check private car parks as they have their own policies'. It went on to say that anyone can use bays marked for badge holders in private car parks, even if they don't have a blue badge (because they don't need one, of you see what I mean ) if they consider themselves disabled. It went on to say that this should be proved when appealing against penalties. I will try to find the site I read this on.

So to clarify (and thanks for your patience ) ANYONE can use a disabled bay in a private car park, yes?. And just ignore the notices and penalties?.

As an aside, I noticed today that one of our local private car parks is now restricting the use of their paltry 2 disabled bays to 2 hours, the rest of the car park is unlimited, and everyone pays the same. Is that also illegal?.

I don't know how many times you want the same reply, but please look at what has been stated by various councils around the UK, these are local government websites, don't you believe what they are saying ???