Brighton Marina

ManxRed

I’m sorry, but can we put this to bed and leave the original poster’s thread alone for us to offer advice without all the confusion that this side-issue has brought up?

Manchester City Council:

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/279/disabled_people-parking_permits-blue_badge/322/blue_badge_parking_scheme/4

Could I use my badge in hospital and supermarket car parks?

Yes, where you see the signs for disabled parking. The law on parking concessions for blue badge holders does not apply to parking facilities on private land and so are not legally enforceable.

Kirklees Council:

http://www.kirklees.gov.uk/community/careSupport/gettingOut/blueBadgeScheme.aspx

It does not:

· apply to off-street car parks, like supermarkets and hospitals, or privately owned roads.

NI Direct: http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/the-blue-badge-parking-scheme

The Blue Badge scheme does not apply to off-street car parks, private roads or at most airports.

Also see the link on that page to the leaflet ‘The Disabled Persons Badge Scheme.

http://applications.drdni.gov.uk/publications/document.asp?docid=23874

At the top of section 6 on page 8 it makes it clear that the Blue Badge scheme does not apply on private roads or off-street car parks.

halibut2209

Stroma wrote: »

Parent parking is just a gimmick and are not a requirement like the disabled bays.

So all car parks, both public and council are legally required to have disabled bays? What legislation is that? Are there laws on how many/how big/how near to certain things?

(genuine question. I always thought they were "gimmicks" too, as you put it)

esmerobbo

halibut2209 wrote: »

So all car parks, both public and council are legally required to have disabled bays? What legislation is that? Are there laws on how many/how big/how near to certain things?

(genuine question. I always thought they were "gimmicks" too, as you put it)

Not sure if its been superseded or not but it used to be up to 34 spaces two bays minimum, over 34 spaces 6% of spaces needed to be disabled bays. For car parks over 200 spaces 4% needed.

murrayfan_2

Can I just say that yes, I 'get' that the Blue Badge Scheme isn't applicable in private car parks - but I take that to mean that blue badge holders don't have the same automatic rights in private car parks as they do on public land, e.g highways. So surely that means that owners of private land - e.g private car parks, have the right to make some rules for their land. They legally have to provide disabled bays, so why can't they legally put up notices saying that these are for blue badge holders?. Seems fair to me.

Yes, the original thread has been a little side-tracked, though not deliberately by me. It seems this is a hot topic which I knew nothing about, I'm sure I'm not the only one. It seems like the OP got some good advice so it's not as though he's been ignored, but I apologise if I've hijacked the thread.

Seems like laws need to be a bit clearer. If it's legal for private car park operators to put up notices saying that certain spaces are only for blue badge holders/Coldplay fans/monocle wearers, then surely we all have to respect their rules, just as we do in any privately owned space?. If it's not legal for private car park operators to even mention the sacred blue badge which should only be used on council owned land, then the operators should be forced to remove all these signs immediately. Then anyone who considers themself or any passenger in their car to be disabled can use those bays and nobody can grumble, and no fines should be issued.

halibut2209

Yes they should be respected. But 2 wrongs don't make a right. Just because a driver breaks the "rules", it doesn't mean that a PPC can then issue an unlawful penalty.

ManxRed

Someone starts this debate EVERY weekend.

They ALWAYS hijack some poor newbie's thread, and then claim they just want to have a larger debate (if you want a debate start your own thread).

Then they nearly always choose to disbelieve the legislation in place regarding blue badge requirements and go on about car park owner's 'rules.'

Forgive me for thinking this is a coincidence.

esmerobbo

They can put up any signs they want, however what they can not do is try and charge somebody who is disabled who used a bay without displaying a blue badge.

They have to by law provide disabled facilities, not blue badge facilities, if you use the disabled toilet in a supermarket do you need a blue badge? No you just need to have a disability!

esmerobbo

ManxRed wrote: »

Someone starts this debate EVERY weekend.

They ALWAYS hijack some poor newbie's thread, and then claim they just want to have a larger debate (if you want a debate start your own thread).

Then they nearly always choose to disbelieve the legislation in place regarding blue badge requirements and go on about car park owner's 'rules.'

Forgive me for thinking this is a coincidence.

Hmmm I wonder!;)

murrayfan_2

ManxRed wrote: »

Someone starts this debate EVERY weekend.

They ALWAYS hijack some poor newbie's thread, and then claim they just want to have a larger debate (if you want a debate start your own thread).

Then they nearly always choose to disbelieve the legislation in place regarding blue badge requirements and go on about car park owner's 'rules.'

Forgive me for thinking this is a coincidence.

What on Earth on you suggesting? :mad:. I actually came on to this thread to help/discuss this with the OP as I had experience as both a parent and a carer of a disabled person. The someone else raised this thing with the rules/laws and I asked more about it.

I don't really think that IS hi-jacking a thread tbh, it's just a discussion evolving.

If you look at my profile you'll see I'm quite new here too. I also have 2 disabled folk to care for. I can assure you I don't own any car parks!.

Why do people have to be rude, snappy, and sarcastic?.

murrayfan_2

halibut2209 wrote: »

Yes they should be respected. But 2 wrongs don't make a right. Just because a driver breaks the "rules", it doesn't mean that a PPC can then issue an unlawful penalty.

and I never said that I thought they should issue an unlawful penalty, either.