Brighton Marina

Cst101

Thanks coupon-mad I fully understand what your saying. The point im making is this particular car park has no ordinary spaces at ground level with out any lifts. I didnt want to drag my kids through the urine drenched stairwells.

murrayfan_2

Stroma wrote: »

Council car parks are different to private car parks, penalty charge notices what you get in council car parks if you contravene the parking regulations are legislated for, and the tickets enforceable.

On private land the blue badge scheme does not apply

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I still can't see anywhere that says that . It says 'parking attendants and civil enforcement officers' can inspect your badge.

Coupon-mad

Cst101 wrote: »

I havent come here to argue just seek advice. I have admitted I was in the wrong and have given my reason for doing so.

We know, sorry to sound harsh if I did but people who park in disabled bays when not disabled are in the wrong - and the general expectation (fed by PPCs) that P&C bays are some sort of 'right' is the problem here, not you.

Realise that they are a gimmick and you will see these bays for what they really are. Disabled bays are a legal right and are completely different.

Coupon-mad

murrayfan wrote: »

I still can't see anywhere that says that . It says 'parking attendants and civil enforcement officers' can inspect your badge.

You actually think that includes PPCs?!

murrayfan_2

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Nor have we because in a private car park, the private parking companies 'use and abuse' the Blue Badge scheme to make it easy to police the disabled bays - and easy to pounce when things go wrong.

Search the forum for 'Equality Act' (using the specific search button on this parking forum to the right of the thread list) and you'll find umpteen cases of disabled people who have the legal right to park where they did, but who have suffered a PPC fake PCN slapped on the car because of some made up rubbish like the Badge being the wrong way up or out of date. This even when the PPC employee has seen the disabled person get out of the car and into a wheelchair, then they pounce!

Basically they use the scheme for an easy excuse to make money.

Already discussed here yesterday if your next question is 'but how can they police the bays without using the BB scheme then...?':

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/59718787#Comment_59718787


HTH - I am on the side of disabled people here, used to work in that field.

Thanks. I don't understand why any disabled person wouldn't have a blue badge, and it makes it clear all round if they're used. But I also hate to think of parking companies scamming people, they make enough money as it is!. I honestly don't have time to trawl through loads of threads and am still confused about his issue of not needing a blue badge in certain circumstances, will look at it when I have more time.

Coupon-mad

Cst101 wrote: »

Thanks coupon-mad I fully understand what your saying. The point im making is this particular car park has no ordinary spaces at ground level with out any lifts. I didnt want to drag my kids through the urine drenched stairwells.

I know EXACTLY the urine-drenched stairwells you mean! I was there a few weeks ago with my kids to go to the cinema. We always park right at the top!

murrayfan_2

Coupon-mad wrote: »

You actually think that includes PPCs?!

Why not?. They have parking attendants. What's the point in having disabled bays if anyone can use them?.

Coupon-mad

murrayfan wrote: »

Thanks. I don't understand why any disabled person wouldn't have a blue badge, and it makes it clear all round if they're used. But I also hate to think of parking companies scamming people, they make enough money as it is!. I honestly don't have time to trawl through loads of threads and am still confused about his issue of not needing a blue badge in certain circumstances, will look at it when I have more time.

murrayfan wrote: »

Why not?. They have parking attendants. What's the point in having disabled bays if anyone can use them?.

Just a heads up so you can fully understand the issue, and I am NOT saying that anyone can use the bays (far from it):

Under the Equality Act 2010 a person is 'protected disabled' at the very point of diagnosis, from that very moment. So let's say someone gets diagnosed with cancer, or ME, or a mental health issue which means their relative/driver needs to park very close to a store if they go out.

Legally, they can. On that very day they get diagnosed, they are considered disabled as they have a 'protected characteristic'.

But they are not going to have a Blue Badge and maybe never will because those are only issued for mobility issues (generally) and are only applicable on-street anyway. Whereas 'reasonable adjustments' under the Act - such as special bays close to the store, or wheelchairs in store if possible - are a legal duty for retailers/service providers to make available address the needs of ANYONE visiting who has a condition that means they need to use that bay.

No-one asks twenty questions if a shopper in Tesco needs to use one of their wheelchairs; no private company is hovering waiting to dish out fake 'fines' for alleged misuse! This is no different, it's only about need...but is harder to keep fair perhaps. Like I said on the linked thread, the fact that makes it hard to tell who can and who cannot park there is just tough for the PPCs really, they will learn when they and their clients are sued over it a few times.




P.S. As I am from Brighton and football mad, I do hope your username is in homage to Andy Murray as in the pic and not Cr***a* P***** player ffsMurray!

Stroma

murrayfan wrote: »

Why not?. They have parking attendants. What's the point in having disabled bays if anyone can use them?.

No only people with disablements should use them, if you are classed as disabled under the Equality Act you can use the bays on private land, its that simple, you don't need to display a badge to do so, as parking on private land is unregulated, whereas on council land its regulated.

atilla

murrayfan wrote: »

Well how do people prove that?. There's usually a notice right by the parking bays to specify that a blue badge must be displayed.

They don't have to - where PPCs are concerned.
Do you have to prove you are able bodied?