Brighton Marina

halibut2209

You said fine. That is the same thing.

murrayfan_2

esmerobbo wrote: »

They can put up any signs they want, however what they can not do is try and charge somebody who is disabled who used a bay without displaying a blue badge.

They have to by law provide disabled facilities, not blue badge facilities, if you use the disabled toilet in a supermarket do you need a blue badge? No you just need to have a disability!

Anyway, I've done some research myself this morning. It seems that it's only acceptable to use disabled bays if you have a genuine disability, and if you are sent a penalty notice, the correct thing to do is write back with proof of your disability. So if you are disabled there won't be an issue.

ManxRed

murrayfan wrote: »

I don't really think that IS hi-jacking a thread tbh, it's just a discussion evolving.

No one's accusing you of anything, I'm pointing out a fact. This DOES happen very very regularly indeed, and the sentence above is ALWAYS used in response too!

You HAVE hijacked someone's thread. You're not offering advice, you're taking three pages to take on board what you have already been told several times about the enforceability of blue badges on private land. You're about to take another three to understand the difference between contractual penalties and parking fees.

Please, by all means have a debate, start a new thread. Don't muddy the waters of the advice being given to the person who started this thread by having inaccurate conversations about the blue badge scheme. Its not helping.

murrayfan_2

halibut2209 wrote: »

You said fine. That is the same thing.

where did I say that?. I've never agreed with issuing fines for this, what I'd like is to see some way to stop people who don't need the spaces taking them up. Using blue badges seems like an obvious answer, but I still don't think anyone needs to fined under these circumstances, and I never have said that.

murrayfan_2

ManxRed wrote: »

No one's accusing you of anything, I'm pointing out a fact. This DOES happen very very regularly indeed, and the sentence above is ALWAYS used in response too!

You HAVE hijacked someone's thread. You're not offering advice, you're taking three pages to take on board what you have already been told several times about the enforceability of blue badges on private land.

Please, by all means have a debate, start a new thread. Don't muddy the waters of the advice being given to the person who started this thread by having inaccurate conversations about the blue badge scheme. Its not helping.

You're being very patronising. I did come onto this thread originally as a human being discussing one human issue with another human being. I thought I was correct. I can only apologise for my 'lack of accuracy'.

murrayfan_2

ManxRed wrote: »

Someone starts this debate EVERY weekend.


Forgive me for thinking this is a coincidence.

^ this is what makes it sound like you're accusing me of something. _pale_

murrayfan_2

So may I be allowed to ask one final question here?. If the blue badge scheme doesn't apply to private car parks/private land, are the land owners breaking the law by asking people to show them as a requirement?.

Stroma

murrayfan wrote: »

So may I be allowed to ask one final question here?. If the blue badge scheme doesn't apply to private car parks/private land, are the land owners breaking the law by asking people to show them as a requirement?.

They are discriminating against disabled drivers without a blue badge, so technically yes breaking the law, though the police will not get involved, but that is not to say that the small claims won't take on disability issues surrounding stuff like this. If there is a breach then you could as a disabled person sue whoever breached for a sum of money.

And to be honest I don't think you are taking the thread completely off track, the OP parked in a disabled bay, he's been given advice on that, but its important that people understand the implications of doing that.

The thread has evolved as you said to a broader discussion on the disabled parking, I think the OP can learn something from this like yourself.

murrayfan_2

Thankyou Stroma. I have no agenda, and had no wish to spark a debate on this topic which I didn't even know was an issue previously. The OP's thread title caught my eye randomly, that was all, it just went from there .

I actually have a 'disability' of my own, Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. The condition, and the meds I have to take, do sometimes make me quite slow at grasping things, and I really wanted to understand all of this . When you first said about discrimination, I was looking at it from a different perspective, and when you said that the blue badge scheme doesn't apply in private car parks I thought that was a negative thing, not a positive.

I understand now what you and other posters were trying to say, and I'm definitely not on the side of car park operators. I live in Cornwall for goodness sake, we're all held to ransom by them down here! .

One last thing I will say is that I have seen arguments, almost fights break out over disabled spaces in supermarket car parks. It seems to confuse the issue even more if people don't need to show their blue badges, so really the notices indicating that they do should be taken down if they are incorrect, I think that's quite important.

Stroma

It is an emotional issue without doubt, and it doesn't help matters that we have unscrupulous companies in the mix causing more problems, actually they cause most problems in car parks, they are not a help but a hindrance.

And it revolves around money, one company specialises specifically on disabled motorist because the manager of said company who posts on here under a various number of aliases , sees them as a cash cow and easy target.

But that company is not alone, they all do it and one disabled charity is actually in bed with them, they are commercial partners with a variety of parking companies, and they get kick backs from the industry, and even encourages people to pay the invoices, even though they know and were advising that these were invoices before and not enforceable.

By the way I'm considered disabled under the Equality Act but I don't use disabled parking bays at all as I feel others have a greater need.