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Cameron get's his reduction in the EU budget.
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »I'd quite like to see those UKIP and Tory MEP's who will no doubt vote against passing this lower budget held to account for their blatant political mischief-making.
Not that it was predictable or anything....:D“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Graham, here's a clue.....
Why do you think such shallow political ploys increase their chances of winning a referendum?
Are we supposed to reward them for overturning Cameron's negotiated cuts? :rotfl:
You've not even quoted the full sentence Hamish. You have removed the rest of it.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »You've not even quoted the full sentence Hamish. You have removed the rest of it.
Here's a quote for you....
But of course there’s an up-side in terms of voter perception, if the budget deal falls. The news for the voters would then be “Member States agreed a cut, but the European parliament effectively vetoed it”. That should increase public anger and resentment against the EU and all its works.”
~Roger Helmer- UKIP MEP
Which of course is why they voted against Cameron's negotiated reduction.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
but if it is simply to avoid a 'rolling over' of the 2012 deficit
How does the EU roll over a deficit? The only funding comes from the club members themselves. The EU has no revenue stream to fall back on. If the deficit isn't funded then the EU itself would default on its liabilities.
How many annual failed audits have there been now? Maybe time is running out for this political experiment.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »How many annual failed audits have there been now? .
Zzzzzz"The Court of Auditors has given last year, as it did in previous years, a clean bill of health on the EU accounts. The Court confirms these accounts faithfully reflect how the EU budget was spent.
Most of the errors found by the Court concerned EU funds under national management.
Sir John Bourn, the UK's Comptroller & Auditor, has recently confirmed that if the UK had a similar test to the European one, he might have to qualify the whole of British Central Government expenditure. In the UK some 500 accounts representing the expenditure of the British government are audited and signed off separately, with some not passing the test each year
http://www.ukdebate.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=18291.0
Shocking really though, that member states would not pass the EU audit for funds under their administration.
That would never, ever, happen here of course....
You know, in the UK, with things under UK government control, where the UK government has an obligation to verify the claims on EU funds.
http://euobserver.com/justice/119206BRUSSELS - The European Commission on Tuesday (26 February) fined the United Kingdom €111.7 million for failing to detect bogus farmland.
A number of farmers received direct payments from the EU's Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) on land that was not arable.
Some of the so-called arable "parcels" were instead covered with trees, while buildings carpeted other areas.
The bogus information was handed over to the UK authorities between 2008 and 2010.
The authorities are required to cross-check the data but an EU audit found the UK had failed to verify if the CAP funds were properly appropriated.
Oh how I miss the rolleyes smiley...“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »How does the EU roll over a deficit? The only funding comes from the club members themselves. The EU has no revenue stream to fall back on. If the deficit isn't funded then the EU itself would default on its liabilities.
How many annual failed audits have there been now? Maybe time is running out for this political experiment.
I was simply 're-quoting' your quote from the article about 'why' the EU Parliament voted down the budget - that you implied I has missed by not 'Read[ing] the article in full':
"They insisted that unpaid bills from 2012 need to be settled before concluding negotiations on the EU’s future budget and called for an undertaking from the European Council that all 2013 bills would be paid in 2013, so there is no “deficit” rolling over into the future budgetary plans"....?0 -
BANG! And the Dev is gone.
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Nearly £100bn less than proposed.
Well done Cameron for sticking in there. Will Milliand now apologise considering he stated in no untoward terms, he simply would not get this and made a party political point about it?
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Marleyboy - You are, indeed, a legend.0 -
Total nonsense I'm afraid....people are often motivated by self interest. You also misunderstand the difference betwween class and being 'posh'. 'Class' is a sociological definition which has political implications for access to resources etc.....'Posh' is just a colloquialism. I agree about Thatcher and Major but that changes nothing about their beliefs and values!That's obviously rubbish. If it was true then no Conservative Government could ever be elected as they would appeal to such a tiny part of the electorate that they would be lucky to get more than a couple of seats. Instead they have been the most successful political party over the last 2 centuries in the UK.
Thatcher wasn't 'posh', Major wasn't 'posh'. Blair was 'posh'. This is just a nonsense, something to justify your blind class hatred.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Nearly £100bn less than proposed.
Well done Cameron for sticking in there. Will Milliand now apologise considering he stated in no untoward terms, he simply would not get this and made a party political point about it?
Not anywhere as big as Thatcher's rebate but ahh well..
Next stop an EU referendum!:beer:0
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