Green Deal MSE Guide Discussion

Ecohome

grahamc2003 wrote: »

I thought this was a new scheme not yet fully operational?

How much is added to your electricity bill each month to payback the council's loan for the work?

No payments are added to your Gas or Electric bill, its the saving that is produced that calculates the repayments. For example if by having the insulation fitted saves £20 per month then your repayments will not exceed the £20 saving? when its paid you receive the £20 saving.

Ecohome

we fit LPG under ECO!:)

Ecohome

persianharry wrote: »

I wonder if anyone can offer me some advice? Back in November 2013 I had an assessment done for Green Deal/ECO and then got a quote for external wall insulation which the company suggested I did under ECO as they would get 83% funding. I accepted this and it was booked to start work in early February. February came and went and every time I phoned the company they just said that they were behind because of the weather or some other excuse. However, today when I phoned they said that their funding had been cut to 50% so they couldn't do the work under their original quote.


So now I'm left high and dry (but not warm), but I was wondering if it was possible to mix ECO and green deal i.e. could I take them up on the 50% ECO deal and then get £4,000 cash back through green deal? That would take me to roughly their original quote.
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

Hi,

Yes its possible to blend, we are doing this more often with the recent carbon rate cuts, its still a good deal. there are plenty of options we can help out with.:)

Richie-from-the-Boro

we fit LPG under ECO

there are plenty of options we can help out with

Ecohome, your input and imformation is very welcome, however its expressly against MSE rules to tout for business. I note you have placed your URL in your profile page, you might want to consider removing a link for business from your profile otherwise people like me might assume you came here to help yourself from the mi££ion pound MSE investment in these forums without the MSE team's permission, you could however contact the MSE team on the TRHS and ask their permission to post on behalf of your company. Welcome to the forum Ecohome

NOTE : To others, you should never make contact with .. .. or hand over any information to .. .. strangers, if in doubt contact the MSE team for advice.

captainhindsight_2

To address ECOHOME above:

No payments are added to your Gas or Electric bill, its the saving that is produced that calculates the repayments. For example if by having the insulation fitted saves £20 per month then your repayments will not exceed the £20 saving? when its paid you receive the £20 saving.

A Green Deal Plans repayments are attached to the electricity bill but are capped at the savings identified in the Green Deal Assessment until the loan is paid off.

we fit LPG under ECO!

I don't think your allowed to advertise your self on here just give advice (that's why I haven't mentioned my company name anywhere)

Yes its possible to blend, we are doing this more often with the recent carbon rate cuts, its still a good deal. there are plenty of options we can help out with.

Yes you can blend Green Deal and ECO but from tomorrow you can not receive 'Green Deal Cash-Back' and a ECO grant just one or the other as can be seen here.

Just thought some of the points you made were a bit misleading and needed clarifying. I believe that the major barrier for the Green Deal to be a success is the miss-information that's is out there from both misleading salesmen and the anti-green lot

casabonita

captainhindsight wrote: »

Yes a replacement LPG boiler is available under ECO but I don't know of anyone actually doing it. There are new guidelines coming out this week which will mean more ECO work will have to be done to people who are off mains gas grid from now on.

What you should do is talk to a green deal provider (they are the ones who have access to the ECO money) and they should try to find an installer in your area to get the work done.

I have just been through the Process and have discovered that it is not possible to
get a replacement LPG Boiler because the ECO Scheme which has been drawn up by the Gov.Depts involved have made sure either by design or incompetence that this is so.

My understanding of the Process is as follows once the Assessments for Eligibility as a member of the AWG / Technical Survey and EPC DEA visits have been done:

The Software (STROMA EES NES) Companies have their programming Criteria set by Ofgem/DECC.

There are 2 Reports generated by the Software, the EPC and the EPR.
The EPC is lodged with Landmark for all to see. The EPR is not.
The EPR is the one used to request access to the Fund.

The Software used for generating the EPR defaults to recommending Storage Heaters where there is no mains gas to the property and cannot possibly recommend any Boiler replacement other than mains gas fuelled due to Software Programming.

Even though the EPC recommends a replacement LPG Boiler the Report which matters is the EPR.

The Energy Suppliers have an Obligation percentage to help those eligible who live in Rural Areas and who by definition have no mains gas infrastructure. This Obligation is nowhere near being met.

If Fines are being threatened by Ofgem for non compliance then this situation hopefully will change later on before the Fund is exhausted but I wouldn’t hold my breath!

Of more concern is the questionable conduct of the Energy Services Companies (eg DYSON/A&M) who via Brokerage are Accredited with the Energy Suppliers to fulfil the energy saving cost saving measures to the householder.

Knowing full well from the outset that any Application for LPG and Oil Boilers are doomed to fail, they are draining the ECO Fund by sending out Assessors and Contractors in the certain knowledge that they will get paid whilst the Applicant is going to receive nothing!

So is this Fraudulent activity?

captainhindsight_2

casabonita wrote: »

I have just been through the Process and have discovered that it is not possible to
get a replacement LPG Boiler because the ECO Scheme which has been drawn up by the Gov.Depts involved have made sure either by design or incompetence that this is so.

My understanding of the Process is as follows once the Assessments for Eligibility as a member of the AWG / Technical Survey and EPC DEA visits have been done:

The Software (STROMA EES NES) Companies have their programming Criteria set by Ofgem/DECC.

There are 2 Reports generated by the Software, the EPC and the EPR.
The EPC is lodged with Landmark for all to see. The EPR is not.
The EPR is the one used to request access to the Fund.

The Software used for generating the EPR defaults to recommending Storage Heaters where there is no mains gas to the property and cannot possibly recommend any Boiler replacement other than mains gas fuelled due to Software Programming.

Even though the EPC recommends a replacement LPG Boiler the Report which matters is the EPR.

The Energy Suppliers have an Obligation percentage to help those eligible who live in Rural Areas and who by definition have no mains gas infrastructure. This Obligation is nowhere near being met.

If Fines are being threatened by Ofgem for non compliance then this situation hopefully will change later on before the Fund is exhausted but I wouldn’t hold my breath!

Of more concern is the questionable conduct of the Energy Services Companies (eg DYSON/A&M) who via Brokerage are Accredited with the Energy Suppliers to fulfil the energy saving cost saving measures to the householder.

Knowing full well from the outset that any Application for LPG and Oil Boilers are doomed to fail, they are draining the ECO Fund by sending out Assessors and Contractors in the certain knowledge that they will get paid whilst the Applicant is going to receive nothing!

So is this Fraudulent activity?

The EPRs aren't used anymore, its something called a ECO report when creating this they can select measures that are recommended in the EPC and name the specific boiler that is to be fitted (i've just tried it with a LPG boiler upgrade and it works)

And your concerns about companies draining the pot of money by doing pointless assessments has no foundations, the assessments are paid for out of the installers/providers own pocket as a means to get the money. If they send someone out to do an assessment that doesn't complete to an installation the company have lost out as they only get paid once a job is completed. As money is only paid through ECO once a saving has been made.

If you go to any green deal provider who has access to eco brokerage and you qualify it can be done. The issue may be that they just choose not to do it, as they may feel that there is not enough profit in it. It is upto the big six energy companies to make it profitable so they meet their obligated targets.

casabonita

The EPR I am told was used only 2 weeks ago to generate the recommendation for Storage Heaters as the default for any property with no access to mains gas.

Is the ECO Report a new introduction then within the last 2 Weeks and does it now not default to Storage Heaters?

If so then Should I go back to the Company and request an updated ECO Report!

You would think that if the Company is not going to receive any payment until the Energy Supplier agrees to release Funds that the Company would make every effort to carry out the work by contacting the Applicant to update the situation!

It is odd that the Company would know whether or not there is going to be any profit at the outset and wouldn't waste either their or the Applicants time ! This does not make any business sense at all.

captainhindsight_2

EPRs havnt been used for months, I would suggest just going to a different company. It sounds like you've probably been dealing with an admin person in the company who doesn't know all the details of the scheme and how it works.

Some businesses are more efficient than others, if you have all the qualifying criteria for affordable warmth you will be entitled to a grant to replace an old lpg boiler it may not cover the full cost of the install but it will make a contribution.

Some larger companies are not allowing customers to topup an eco grant with cash (i don't know why) so you could be dealing with one of them and i would suggest to go to a smaller company then you can deal with people who are more likely to be more informed about the scheme and give you more help.

casabonita

I will try a smaller more local company as you suggest.

I will post what will hopefully be more encouraging information
as soon as I have any.