Green Deal MSE Guide Discussion

lstar337

captainhindsight wrote: »

Ok the figures shown on the epc are based on a 'average' occupation of the house so that's why there wrong.

The green deal report should use your actual energy bills , looking at your report the assessor hasn't done this so the report is worthless. I am guessing that he/she has just entered 'no data' available for the actual energy bills where they should have entered the info that you gave them. (Which can be done for pre paied metres, as you should have access to an annual statement) I am guessing that they have probably done this because of they are linked to a installer or a provider and they will want to increase the repayment cap for a green deal plan.

That's the problem with the free assessments, although they are ment to be impartial the assessor will be under pressure to manipulate the report to maximize the company's profits.

I would suggest that the company should be reported as they are clearly imo not acting impartiality and within the guidelines

Well thanks for clearing that up! You seem to have a good handle on what you are talking about.

Another thing to note is that a mate of mine had his flat assessed at the same time (different company) and came back saying his annual spend was £2000, which according to his Green Deal printout was also a 'Typical Household'. I'm confused, is it my £800 or his £2000 that is typical?

I have no faith in the entire system, and neither do the vast majority of posters in this very long thread.

I acknowledge that there maybe some successful cases out there, but not enough to counter the misinformation and confusion.

Fanofmartin

I had my Green Deal Assessment done over a year ago and am STILL WAITING for GD providers to get back to me. The agent I used (WE Greenerise) have told me that there was some loophole in the law which disenabled any company from receiving money to go further with the green deal. Does anybody know anything about this? I have an old house which would be eligible for the ECO grant to get the walls insulated and the job is far too expensive for me to pay out for. There are cash back deals too which I thought I might be eligible for, but thought there was a deadline for those,. I am becoming increasingly irritated by the lack of information on this deal. My house is cold and getting mouldy and I want the job done, can I hold out for the GD? Any information out there would be greatly received.

captainhindsight_2

lstar337 wrote: »

Well thanks for clearing that up! You seem to have a good handle on what you are talking about.

Another thing to note is that a mate of mine had his flat assessed at the same time (different company) and came back saying his annual spend was £2000, which according to his Green Deal printout was also a 'Typical Household'. I'm confused, is it my £800 or his £2000 that is typical?

I have no faith in the entire system, and neither do the vast majority of posters in this very long thread.

I acknowledge that there maybe some successful cases out there, but not enough to counter the misinformation and confusion.

They could both be correct, the EPC is subject to a number of variables; size, number of habitable rooms, heating system, heatloss perimeter, floor type, roof/celing type, wall type and so on.. and then the software makes standard assumptions based on that information. However, if all of these variables are the same, i.e the flat is in the same building with the same building fabric and so on the EPCs should be exactly the same and one of the assessors has made a mistake.

The purpose of the Green Deal Assessment is to tailor the assumptions made in the EPC to your actual circumstances, it does that by asking you how you actually live in and use your home.

If the Green Deal Report shows that your energy usage is the same as a 'average household' it is pretty likely that the assessor has not done his/her job properly and has just entered that no information was available from the householder (which will make the software make the same assumptions as in the EPC and therefore worthless) which may or may not be true. I'd say it is pretty unlikely that any household would be using the exact amount of energy as is made in the assumptions.

I believe that the main problem with the Green Deal is that it set off on the wrong foot and given its self a bad reputation, most of the problems have now been ironed out but it may be a case of too little too late, but I hope not as I believe the idea of paying for improvements through the savings they make is a good one

captainhindsight_2

Fanofmartin wrote: »

I had my Green Deal Assessment done over a year ago and am STILL WAITING for GD providers to get back to me. The agent I used (WE Greenerise) have told me that there was some loophole in the law which disenabled any company from receiving money to go further with the green deal. Does anybody know anything about this? I have an old house which would be eligible for the ECO grant to get the walls insulated and the job is far too expensive for me to pay out for. There are cash back deals too which I thought I might be eligible for, but thought there was a deadline for those,. I am becoming increasingly irritated by the lack of information on this deal. My house is cold and getting mouldy and I want the job done, can I hold out for the GD? Any information out there would be greatly received.

I would go to another company, if your have paid for your Green Deal Assessment you can take it to any green deal provider you want.

From 1st April you can get a ECO grant or Green Deal Cashback but not both (you could get both before this date).

Not all Green Deal Providers are able to offer a Green Deal Plan/Finance as they have to go through a very expensive and lengthy process with The Green Deal Finance Company, but they do have to be able to offer you some kind of finance plan.

The cash back runs out when the money runs out there is no deadline for this so it could end at any time (as far as I am aware)

annettewilson1958

captainhindsight wrote: »

I would go to another company, if your have paid for your Green Deal Assessment you can take it to any green deal provider you want.

From 1st April you can get a ECO grant or Green Deal Cashback but not both (you could get both before this date).

Not all Green Deal Providers are able to offer a Green Deal Plan/Finance as they have to go through a very expensive and lengthy process with The Green Deal Finance Company, but they do have to be able to offer you some kind of finance plan.

The cash back runs out when the money runs out there is no deadline for this so it could end at any time (as far as I am aware)

Hi there! I joined this forum to find out if anyone else having trouble after they forked out for their assessment and it seems they are. I have been waiting since last November for my assessor to get a provider to dish out the loan. I have nagged and nagged him and all I get back is that there is a new legislation and that no one is lending since the April budget? I am tempted to go elsewhere but it seems that everyone is having this problem. Can someone please guide me in the right direction.

captainhindsight_2

annettewilson1958 wrote: »

Hi there! I joined this forum to find out if anyone else having trouble after they forked out for their assessment and it seems they are. I have been waiting since last November for my assessor to get a provider to dish out the loan. I have nagged and nagged him and all I get back is that there is a new legislation and that no one is lending since the April budget? I am tempted to go elsewhere but it seems that everyone is having this problem. Can someone please guide me in the right direction.

Hello, what you need to do is go onto green deal orb here then select providers then in the first drop down box then on the right where it says 'Providers offering Green Deal Finance Plans' select that box then click search. This shows a full list of Green Deal Providers who can offer a Green Deal Finance Plan which is only 33 of the total 143 green deal providers.

All of the green deal providers can offer you a finance plan but only those 33 who have gone through a very expensive on boarding process with the green deal finance company can offer green deal finance.

Choose as many as you like then send them your green deal report and say which measures you want installed, they should then be able to come back to you with a quote.

Tillydot

I received a letter today from nws regarding a free Bimass Wood Pellet Boiler. When I rang them asked them if the assessment was free and if the boiler was free as stated in the letter. I have made an appointment but I am of the mind, you don't get anything for nothing. After two separate dealings with British Gas for wall insulation and loft insulation and nothing being offered I am a little doubtful about this too. I asked if I had to pay anything and they said I hadn't. I told them my financial situation,that I do not have any money and although my house has storage heaters and is extremely cold, I am not in a situation to sign up for anything, ie a loan as I wouldn't get one having a poor credit rating. I have now read on here that they would want me to sign up to wall insulation which as explained I couldn't do, also 7 years of buying the pellets. Would someone be kind enough to confirm if this is true and if it is I can save wasting my time next week and cancel the appointment. Thank you for any help offered.

Smiley_Dan

Is it possible to use the GD to help finance EWI on a house with filled cavities and upgrade from old fashioned double glazing (thin metal spacers) to modern triple glazing?

Also assume MHRV is still not covered on the domestic programme?

red0209

I just had an assessment done, and am not particularly pleased as despite supplying energy bills covering the past 15 months, the report states that the energy usage is half of what it actually is. The assessor clearly didn't look at the the bills and just plucked a figure out of the air.

I assume that for the Green Deal you're limited to the recommended improvements only when it comes to being eligible for finance and/or cashback?

jimbo49

i had a quote done. it came out at £3.5k! i got a price from a local company and it's £1700!! even though i have to pay for it myself,at least i'll have the peace of mind that anything going wrong will be sorted a lot quicker than waiting for a van from a couple of hundred miles away! this scheme is good except for the suppliers/fitters. the government ought to allow local fittings. they could get the work checked before paying bills. having a company do the work when it's hundreds of miles away is ridiculous, but then, what has any government done that is sensible for anyone except itself and it's members??