We WILL get an EU referendum

Graham_Devon

Linton wrote: »

For the next 5 years how many global businesses will want to invest in the UK with the uncertainty in our relationship with the EU? France is already preparing to take advantage of the situation. And it doesnt help Cameron in his main objective as the fundamental split in the Tory party is dragged out longer with no sign of any resolution.

How can anyone believe it is anything other than a badly thought-through strategy by a weak leader

In that case, we could never ever have a referendum, and would always be hamstrung. Theres never a "good time".

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

What's been said is a referendum WILL take place.

David Cameron has said the British people must "have their say" on Europe as he pledged an in/out referendum if the Conservatives win the election.

The prime minister said he wanted to renegotiate the UK's relationship with the EU, before giving the "simple choice" of a vote on accepting the result of the talks or leaving the EU.

To get a referendum the Conservatives need to win the next election and then negotiate with the EU BEFORE a referendum.

Now I can't see DC admitting, under any circumstances, that he's failed in his negotiations so expect him to say he's got the best deal possible and encourage people to vote yes to stay in.

So between now and then he's got to stay conservative leader, win an election, soften his tone so that sensible discourse can be had with the EU and, somehow, get the Eurosceptics in his party to put a sock in it.

It's like I've got a crystal ball.

Graham_Devon

Ok, for those against the referendum, for which there are many, and for those who have decided he will fail at the first hurdle of negotiations...

Does this really not bother you? Does the fact that some German EU bloke has today said "All and everything must be done by Brussels, for Brussels" in response to David Cameron?

Do these things not bother people? I don't care what my political preferences are, that sentence alone worries me deeply and I really can't believe most people are going around agreeing with that?

StevieJ

Linton wrote: »

For the next 5 years how many global businesses will want to invest in the UK with the uncertainty in our relationship with the EU? France is already preparing to take advantage of the situation. And it doesnt help Cameron in his main objective as the fundamental split in the Tory party is dragged out longer with no sign of any resolution.

How can anyone believe it is anything other than a badly thought-through strategy by a weak leader

You mean like us trying to pinch their millionaires

nicko33

gorgeyetsun wrote: »

riddled with mistakes and errors as your puctuation and spelling.

I didn't see anything wrong with his puctuation. Your analysis must, therefore, also be suspect.

Grantabrycge

Nigel Farage says we need to trade with the fast growing economies, like our former possessions China and India, not the aging EU countries. Currently only 5% of our exports go to India and China.

Nigel’s wife Kirsten hasn’t told him yet that her native Germany sends 10% of her much larger exports to China and India.

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Ok, for those against the referendum, for which there are many, and for those who have decided he will fail at the first hurdle of negotiations...

Does this really not bother you? Does the fact that some German EU bloke has today said "All and everything must be done by Brussels, for Brussels" in response to David Cameron?

Do these things not bother people? I don't care what my political preferences are, that sentence alone worries me deeply and I really can't believe most people are going around agreeing with that?

Hmm..sounds like a straw man - if you're against a referendum or think negotiations will fail then you must agree with an extremely pro-Europe German bloke.

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Ok, for those against the referendum, for which there are many, and for those who have decided he will fail at the first hurdle of negotiations...

Why do we have to wait until after the next election before negotiating the new terms, in interests of democracy I would like to know what I am voting for at the next election, unless?

ash28

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Ok, for those against the referendum, for which there are many, and for those who have decided he will fail at the first hurdle of negotiations...

Does this really not bother you? Does the fact that some German EU bloke has today said "All and everything must be done by Brussels, for Brussels" in response to David Cameron?

Do these things not bother people? I don't care what my political preferences are, that sentence alone worries me deeply and I really can't believe most people are going around agreeing with that?

I'm not against a referendum, but based on what he said today I wouldn't be surprised if in reality there wasn't one.

What he hasn't said is "if the Conservatives win the next election there will definitely be a referendum - no ifs buts or maybes". He's made it conditional on the success of future negotiations. He hasn't said what would happen if those negotiations fail.

So if the condition of successful negotiation isn't met what do you think will happen? He isn't a politician for nothing....

Now that bothers me - because it just looks as if he's thrown the problem into the long grass - EU problem out of way, for now.

Yes, Europe bothers me to a degree - and if I'm honest I don't know enough about it or the ramifications of staying in or leaving to be able to make an informed choice. It would be nice to be given that information but somehow I don't think I will be. I'll have to try and sort the wheat from the chaff from the hysterical crap we'll be fed by our media and our politicians.

Mr._Pricklepants

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Do these things not bother people? I don't care what my political preferences are, that sentence alone worries me deeply and I really can't believe most people are going around agreeing with that?

There are lots of things that bother me about the EU.....CAP, fisheries policy, bureaucratic waste, Herman Van Rompuy, etc..etc..

But still I believe leaving altogether would be unwise. A bit like the kid and the bathwater...