Immigrants & Benefits

kabayiri

CLAPTON wrote: »

Maybe he pays too little?

Maybe he is used to recruiting abroad so has no incentive to train UK engineers to meet his specific requirements.

'Managed' immigration simply means we don't grow home grown skills.

Both roles were between £40K and £50K (I think one has gone now). That's not a bad salary in NW UK.

I worked with people in production engineering back in the 80s. The plant we all worked at has been gone 2 decades, and everyone I know has moved into different areas. If you don't use your skillset it's hard to return to a discipline.

It's a skills issue in this case. I do agree with you about the training issue, but its been like that for quite a while now.

kabayiri

Sampong wrote: »

By "zealot" do you mean someone who doesn't agree with you?

The jury is out on the "enormous positive benefits", all of the "studies" you post cherry pick their facts.

Arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon: no matter how good you are at chess, its just going to knock over the pieces and strut around like its victorious.

You can always cook the pigeon, and have a hearty evening meal :rotfl:

MacMickster

kabayiri wrote: »

What about the people who register as self employed and then claim top ups by way of credits, as GD mentioned?

They are half way through implementing Universal Credits. Changing things so drastically right now would blow the budget wide open (as if it isn't already open).

They may be half way through this process, but it is just a revision to a flawed system. What we need is a completely new system. We pay all sorts of different benefits and components based entirely on need but unaffordable for the country. Affordability must also come into it.

I may need a 3 bedroom house, but if I can't afford it then I will find away to make a single bedroom house work for me, even if it means younger children sharing a bedroom with parents and older children using sofa beds in the lounge. This is what my grandparents did.

ILW

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I dont need to prove "everyone" wrong.

It's an internet board, with a few anti-immigrant zealots posting on it.

The facts around the enormous positive benefits of immigration are clear, which is why no government actually does anything about stopping it.

Please explain what the benefit to the UK is of an influx of virtually enemployable Roma gypsies from Romania is.

Some immigration is good, some not so good. Why as a nation do we seem to have got into a position of not just cherry picking what is best for us?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Sampong wrote: »

By "zealot" do you mean someone who doesn't agree with you?

No, I mean people who ignore the overwhelming body of evidence that shows immigration is a benefit, or try to dismiss it as "cherry picked".

The jury is out on the "enormous positive benefits", all of the "studies" you post cherry pick their facts.

No.

It really isn't.

The evidence, from multiple studies, by independent academics, economists, think tanks, and even the government shows the clear fiscal and economic benefits of immigration.

And against that, you have UKIP, the BNP, the EDL and a few other rabble rousers spreading lies and disinformation.

Given that around 50% of the population have an IQ of under 100, it's not surprising that such a large element of the population have no ability whatsoever to comprehend complex economic facts around the benefits of immigration.

But that doesn't mean they should be allowed to drag our country down into the gutter, by turning us into a backwards inward looking, xenophobic nation.

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I dont need to prove "everyone" wrong.

It's an internet board, with a few [STRIKE]anti-immigrant zealots[/STRIKE] people who disagree with me (which is just not on) posting on it.
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Fixed that for you

ILW

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

No, I mean people who ignore the overwhelming body of evidence that shows immigration is a benefit, or try to dismiss it as "cherry picked".



No.

It really isn't.

The evidence, from multiple studies, by independent academics, economists, think tanks, and even the government shows the clear fiscal and economic benefits of immigration.

And against that, you have UKIP, the BNP, the EDL and a few other rabble rousers spreading lies and disinformation.

Given that around 50% of the population have an IQ of under 100, it's not surprising that such a large element of the population have no ability whatsoever to comprehend complex economic facts around the benefits of immigration.

But that doesn't mean they should be allowed to drag our country down into the gutter, by turning us into a backwards inward looking, xenophobic nation.

You keep referring to Immigration being a benefit. Surely there is a difference between controlled and uncontrolled immigration though?

You still have failed to explain how an influx of Roma from Romania is of any benefit to the UK.

nomoreboomandbust

ILW wrote: »

Please explain what the benefit to the UK is of an influx of virtually enemployable Roma gypsies from Romania is.

Some immigration is good, some not so good. Why as a nation do we seem to have got into a position of not just cherry picking what is best for us?

He conveniently ignores this question, a one trick pony that says that immigration is good, before it was zealots, now xenophobes is the term for anybody that even dares argue against him. Whatever next, the R word ?

ILW

nomoreboomandbust wrote: »

He conveniently ignores this question, a one trick pony that says that immigration is good, before it was zealots, now xenophobes is the term for anybody that even dares argue against him. Whatever next, the R word ?

It is a technique that has been used by many left wing politicos, councils etc for years. They believe (and sadly may be right) that any argument can be won just by accusing an opponenet of being racist. I do not feel it is a good state of affairs.

Sampong

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

No, I mean people who ignore the overwhelming body of evidence that shows immigration is a benefit, or try to dismiss it as "cherry picked".



No.

It really isn't.

The evidence, from multiple studies, by independent academics, economists, think tanks, and even the government shows the clear fiscal and economic benefits of immigration.

And against that, you have UKIP, the BNP, the EDL and a few other rabble rousers spreading lies and disinformation.

Given that around 50% of the population have an IQ of under 100, it's not surprising that such a large element of the population have no ability whatsoever to comprehend complex economic facts around the benefits of immigration.

But that doesn't mean they should be allowed to drag our country down into the gutter, by turning us into a backwards inward looking, xenophobic nation.

The fact is that there are overwhelming holes in your arguments, yet like the pigeon you try to knock over the pieces and walk around like you are victorious.

I think you will actually find that the "anti immigration zealots" would like to know what the benefits of immigration. I have seen all the studies and claims that point towards mass immigration as an economic benefit, and they DO Cherry Pick facts without a doubt.

You describe UKIP as "rabble rousers" and trying to turn everyone into a Xenephobic nation, yet UKIP want us to trade with Europe, and the rest of the world, they just don't want us to be controlled by Europe.

And putting UKIP in the same phrase as the EDL is ridiculous, if you remember, the EDL campaign against Islamisation of the UK, which is a totally separate issue from what is being discussed here. You just dropped their name in that phrase to get everyone's alarm bells ringing.

It's people like you who spread lies and disinformation, your points above are stupid, and you keep failing to answer core questions (as always). Your views are blinkered to the extreme.