Immigrants & Benefits

Sampong

ILW wrote: »

Hamish will be along in a minute to accuse everyone of being racist.

Another hour or two yet, he is busy researching and desperately trying to find another contrived report to "prove" everyone wrong.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

MacMickster wrote: »

The benefit system is the real problem - not immigration. Sort out the benefit system and then we wouldn't have benefit tourists coming here.
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Benefits tourism is largely a myth.

And lets not forget there are 1.8 million Brits living in Europe, many of whom will be claiming benefits there.

exarmydreamer

grizzly1911 wrote: »

I meant that Farage was right;)

People might not like what he says but he is often right.

If he is right, should the government and public not listen. No doubt coming up to the next election, he will be smeared by all parties who find him threatening to them.

I am starting to find him a more viable alternative but still allergic to voting at the moment.

CLAPTON

According to a BBC interview with the Big Issue Director for the North, big issues sellers are classified as self employed and over 50% are from Romania.
She depended the high percentage of Romanian on the basis that they were from the roma community who were an oppressed minority in their homeland and so we had a duty to offer them protection here.

kabayiri

MacMickster wrote: »

The benefit system is the real problem - not immigration. Sort out the benefit system and then we wouldn't have benefit tourists coming here.

Base entitlement to benefits on a person's average UK earnings over the last 24 months (with additional support for those UNABLE to work). This would help to deal with our own benefits class too.

What about the people who register as self employed and then claim top ups by way of credits, as GD mentioned?

They are half way through implementing Universal Credits. Changing things so drastically right now would blow the budget wide open (as if it isn't already open).

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Sampong wrote: »

Another hour or two yet, he is busy researching and desperately trying to find another contrived report to "prove" everyone wrong.

I dont need to prove "everyone" wrong.

It's an internet board, with a few anti-immigrant zealots posting on it.

The facts around the enormous positive benefits of immigration are clear, which is why no government actually does anything about stopping it.

CLAPTON

kabayiri wrote: »

My cousin's business needs staff. To be specific, a few people with production management experience in the area of engineering and manufacturing they are in.

He can find (and has found) cleaners or warehouse operatives, in general low skilled jobs. He is not short of people willing to take on those roles, indigenous or otherwise.

We need managed immigration to fulfil specific shortages. A blanket open policy is not an efficient way of going about it.

Maybe he pays too little?

Maybe he is used to recruiting abroad so has no incentive to train UK engineers to meet his specific requirements.

'Managed' immigration simply means we don't grow home grown skills.

MacMickster

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Benefits tourism is largely a myth.

And lets not forget there are 1.8 million Brits living in Europe, many of whom will be claiming benefits there.

Myth or not. If the benefit system simply wouldn't allow it (and tackle our own benefits class at the same time) then maybe the population as a whole would be more willing to listen to arguments that some immigration is both necessary and good for the UK. Those coming would be coming because they genuinely wanted to live and work here. There would be no other reason there.

I also watched a very interesting programme a few weeks ago focussing on some people who had moved to France and Spain, then found that when their circumstances changed that the benefit systems offered them very little.

kabayiri

CLAPTON wrote: »

According to a BBC interview with the Big Issue Director for the North, big issues sellers are classified as self employed and over 50% are from Romania.
She depended the high percentage of Romanian on the basis that they were from the roma community who were an oppressed minority in their homeland and so we had a duty to offer them protection here.

I suspect Al Queda consider themselves an oppressed minority too.

Should they be allowed to sell the Big Issue on the streets of London as well?

If I wanted a charity in power, I'd have voted Oxfam in.

Sampong

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I dont need to prove "everyone" wrong.

It's an internet board, with a few anti-immigrant zealots posting on it.

The facts around the enormous positive benefits of immigration are clear, which is why no government actually does anything about stopping it.

By "zealot" do you mean someone who doesn't agree with you?

The jury is out on the "enormous positive benefits", all of the "studies" you post cherry pick their facts.

Arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon: no matter how good you are at chess, its just going to knock over the pieces and strut around like its victorious.