Immigrants & Benefits

kabayiri

Perhaps I am out of kilter on this one, but my understanding is that economic migrants are filling job vacancies which are not being taken currently (by people already located here). This is the usual justification.

However, I am not aware of any shortage of labour, particularly around the Lincolnshire region? Why do we need additional migrants?

I think an EU citizen is completely entitled to take up work anywhere in the zone provided they have the correct skills etc.

My argument is that the job role must exist and be available before they make the journey over. We need managed immigration linked to working roles.

Moby

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Can anyone clear this up?

It's on question time at the moment. A business leader states immigrants cannot get benefits for 3 months. However, Nigel Farage states if they say they are self employed and seeking work, they can get benefits from day one.

Both the tories and labour are struggling, but they obviously don't want a referendum....

Nigel seems to be getting the biggest applause's. Do like the way he talks.

Unbelievable what motivates some people.:(

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

Bulgarians and Romanians will be more likely to claim than Poles and Lithuanians. Whole different mindset - I read the history of Bulgarias transition from the Societ Union that described how all the crooks took control.

Millions of unemployed Brits, so what do we do.............

There you go something simple for you to read:-
http://www.simplypsychology.org/katz-braly.html

ash28

kabayiri wrote: »

Perhaps I am out of kilter on this one, but my understanding is that economic migrants are filling job vacancies which are not being taken currently (by people already located here). This is the usual justification.

However, I am not aware of any shortage of labour, particularly around the Lincolnshire region? Why do we need additional migrants?

I think an EU citizen is completely entitled to take up work anywhere in the zone provided they have the correct skills etc.

My argument is that the job role must exist and be available before they make the journey over. We need managed immigration linked to working roles.

They say Boston has 1300 unemployed people and 10k immigrants - so I guess the reasoning is that if there weren't any immigrants there would be a labour shortage.

Nigel Farage made a point in the programme last night saying that pre 2004 the crops weren't left to rot in the fields in Lincolnshire - he was absolutely correct they weren't. Portuguese (often seasonal workers) picked them....

I live about 20 miles from Boston and go there occasionally and the town centre is like a foreign country. It's really weird. You can walk around for ages and not hear an English voice.

There are huge issues with Eastern European migrants - I'm not talking about jobs, it's drink driving, uninsured driving, driving illegal cars, drinking in the streets and car parks, (yes, the indigenous population do it too, but they aren't English voices you hear), illegal stills etc.

Would I want to live there - no.

There was an interesting piece from Peter Hitchen in the Mail (I know) but the article was decent.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037877/Boston-Lincolngrad-The-strange-transformation-sleepy-English-town.html

Graham_Devon

grizzly1911 wrote: »

Are you surprised?

Yes. I didn't realise immigrants could claim benefits from the day they arrive here.

Theres a whole lot of confussion surrounding all this, and like a member of the audience said on QT last night, all you get is people from both ends of the extreme, especially QT last night with the businessman who was so pro-eu and Farage who is obviously anti-eu. You also had someone who was trying to be partial but couldn't help herself but to say the EU is a great thing and start annoying the audience. She made it sound as if Boston had no problem, much to the audience (and a certain speakers) disagreement.

ruggedtoast

What does he mean by immigrants? EU nationals should have the same access to benefits as we do. I could go and sign on the dole in Sweden if I wanted.

Non EU people on longer term visitor or student visas should have "no recourse to public funds" stamped in their passports. Students here for over 6 months are allowed to use the NHS and register with a GP.

ILW

There was a rather long thread on here a while ago where someone wanted to bring their Spanish son in law over here as the Spanish will only pay benefits and give housing to those that have already paid tax. UK was a much more generous system so he got on a plane.

ruggedtoast

ILW wrote: »

There was a rather long thread on here a while ago where someone wanted to bring their Spanish son in law over here as the Spanish will only pay benefits and give housing to those that have already paid tax. UK was a much more generous system so he got on a plane.

Well that would presumably be the same rule for a Spaniard who had paid no tax. You aren't allowed to discriminate against original EU members based on nationality; though the UK does seem rather keen on slinging unearned handouts at people regardless of whether they have done a days work (anywhere in the world) in their life or not.

ILW

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Well that would presumably be the same rule for a Spaniard who had paid no tax. You aren't allowed to discriminate against original EU members based on nationality; though the UK does seem rather keen on slinging unearned handouts at people regardless of whether they have done a days work (anywhere in the world) in their life or not.

That does seem to be the problem. I think their will be rather a lot of unemployed Eastern Europeans turning up.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ILW wrote: »

UK was a much more generous system so he got on a plane.

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Well that would presumably be the same rule for a Spaniard who had paid no tax. You aren't allowed to discriminate against original EU members based on nationality; .

So then the problem isn't immigration, but rather an overly generous benefits system in the UK for everyone.