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Immigrants & Benefits
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Well we do know that UK nationals are twice as likely to claim benefits as immigrants....
http://fullfact.org/factchecks/migrants_foreign_nationals_benefits_claim_likely_UK-27395
So this whole "benefits tourism" scare story appear to be just another bit of silly anti-immigrant propaganda and fearmongering.
Because UK Ltd dosent want to pay them a wage in line with the cost of living. Still we have half of Romania and Bulgaria coming to town soon that will make lif e better for us all.If the posh boys had half a brain cell between them they'd be dangerous.
Back in the real world many can just about afford to get to work and back never mind about making a living as none of us working have that kind of high expectation.Thats just kept for fat cat bankers, and self serving pigs.0 -
I was joking!!
Them Welsh are a bit touchy though.
It's the Scottish you have to worry about;)"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
As was pointed out, those cabbages were still being picked in 2004 prior to the Poles comming.
Unemployment is 1.5 million lower in this recession than the last one.
Yet 5-6 million immigrants have arrived since then.
If Immigrant displaced Brits from jobs, then unemployment should be upwards of 8 million by now.
And sending home those 6 million immigrants wouldn't create a single job for British workers, as the economy would shrink and there would be fewer jobs available.
(And before anyone tries to use the straw man of economically inactive or workfare, those things existed in the last recession too just under different names. )“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Unemployment is 1.5 million lower in this recession than the last one.
Yet 5-6 million immigrants have arrived since then.
If Immigrant displaced Brits from jobs, then unemployment should be upwards of 8 million by now.
And sending home those 6 million immigrants wouldn't create a single job for British workers, as the economy would shrink and there would be fewer jobs available.
(And before anyone tries to use the straw man of economically inactive or workfare, those things existed in the last recession too just under different names. )
Unemployment is measured differently now too.
We also have a massive explosion in benefits and part time jobs which the benefit system helps.
We also have massively more people self employed.
It's a very vague comparison to make. Almost worthless.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »I dont need to prove "everyone" wrong.
It's an internet board, with a few anti-immigrant zealots posting on it.
The facts around the enormous positive benefits of immigration are clear, which is why no government actually does anything about stopping it.
Seems the vast majority of posters find your arguments hard to swallow, but you are no doubt unequivocally right.
The fact the government does nothing about it is - because they haven't got the ability or will to do anything about it.
Having an IQ in the 140s I find it difficult to see the benefits of mass low skilled immigration when we have so many unemployed.
Having a high IQ doesn't necessarily correlate to having any common sense. To say that the people with an average IQ, can't be expected to understand the theories you suggest probably means they don't make any sense."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Are Mr. pricklepants and Hamish an item now? Perhaps MrP had a lovers tiff with MrRee :rotfl:
Anyway, congratulations to the happy couple. Hamish was always upset by Rewired, now he's got his own little friend
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grizzly1911 wrote: »
The fact the government does nothing about it is - because they haven't got the ability or will to do anything about it.
Watching Border Patrol programmes on tv that show the Australian Border Patrols packing off home the ones that are coming into the country to work illegally is a positive move, can we not work similar ways of controlling these people from coming in to our country.0 -
Thank's for that...So really we can't blame people who want to try and better their lives by coming here we opened the gates for them but as far as I am concerned it should not be at our cost.
You don't have to have unrestricted free movement for a viable free trade regime. Cameron should negotiate this away -- but I bet he can't.
The only solution would be the sort of associate EU membership idea, where we could get rid of an immense amount of B/S that is disadvantageous to the country, like unrestricted immigration, but keep the free trade aspect. It will all come down to money in the end and will depend on what it would cost us. The EU might ultimately go for that rather than lose our net contribution.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0
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