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Private Parking Tickets; An Alternative View
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Nowhere in that post does it state anywhere that all unprotected parking should not incur financial implications.Je Suis Cecil.0
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No I am not a parking company troll, I don't understand what anyone would find inconceivable about what I am saying; I am telling you why we (the people who pay £1,000 a year for a parking space) do this. As for Spacey's comment...we have found the way to stop most people using our spaces...and that is the parking tickets. When the barrier was up, we had people constantly breaking the padlocks to get in and out [for which they could have been charged with criminal damage - the area is on camera]
Apart from a couple of local business people (as I said, one of whom has been charged with harassment) most people do not park there again once they have been issued with a ticket. Often the best solution is to hit people in their pockets as I'm sure you will grudgingly acknowledge.
Interesting. Would you care to answer my question?However I'd like to hear your opinion on charges in, for example, supermarket car parks, a very different matter I'm sure you'll agree.0 -
Nowhere in that post does it state anywhere that all unprotected parking should not incur financial implications.
I rephrased my original sentence in post#17 which better expanded my view. My first post was supporting the OP who started a thread headed "Private Parking Tickets; An Alternative View"
Any reasonable, no hair-splitting contributor would have read it in that light.
OP says there is a view that there may be a place for PPCs. It may be argued that proper, honest PPCs in a residential context fill the gap between free-loading motorists and the court system. The sheer hassle for any individual pursuing a small claim against a space-blagging motorist is considerable.
This is not a view supported by some on here and spacey2012 is honest about his view which implies that if you don't put protection in place, you are at fault.
He is not alone.0 -
Interesting. Would you care to answer my question?
Yes I agree with you Mr Saigon, as the big supermarkets actually have a monopoly on the parking areas around here as well. The main public parking area in this vicinity is actually owned by Tesco (although they do not have a store here)However this was not the subject of my original post.0 -
I rephrased my original sentence in post#17 which better expanded my view. My first post was supporting the OP who started a thread headed "Private Parking Tickets; An Alternative View"
Any reasonable, no hair-splitting contributor would have read it in that light.
OP says there is a view that there may be a place for PPCs. It may be argued that proper, honest PPCs in a residential context fill the gap between free-loading motorists and the court system. The sheer hassle for any individual pursuing a small claim against a space-blagging motorist is considerable.
This is not a view supported by some on here and spacey2012 is honest about his view which implies that if you don't put protection in place, you are at fault.
He is not alone.
OK, so now you are adopting this stance, and by finding someone who disagrees, you are saying that my first point disputing your original statement is wrong?
Whatever you say.
On the above point, it is purely hypothetical. I wouldn't object to any PPC providing such a service provided no legal misrepresentation took place, and the charges sought were an accurate representation of landowner losses. However, as we both know, no such PPC exists.
Hence the onus is on the landowner to take whatever measures they see fit to protect their land. Until such time as an ethical honest PPC comes along, its the only option they have.
If a landowner chooses to go with an unethical non-law abiding PPC then I'm with spacey2012.Je Suis Cecil.0 -
As it is your space (you pay for it).No I am not a parking company troll, I don't understand what anyone would find inconceivable about what I am saying; I am telling you why we (the people who pay £1,000 a year for a parking space) do this. As for Spacey's comment...we have found the way to stop most people using our spaces...and that is the parking tickets. When the barrier was up, we had people constantly breaking the padlocks to get in and out [for which they could have been charged with criminal damage - the area is on camera]
Apart from a couple of local business people (as I said, one of whom has been charged with harassment) most people do not park there again once they have been issued with a ticket. Often the best solution is to hit people in their pockets as I'm sure you will grudgingly acknowledge.
Do you get the money recoverd from the motorist?
And is the money you charge the motorist a genuine pre estimate of YOUR loss?
If so then good luck to you.
I belive you have every right to it.0 -
This ^^^ is the point.
The law (legal precedent) says that the charges to an errant driver are not enforceable beyond the actual loss to the landowner (or estimate thereof). It also says that it is only enforceable by the landowner (not an agent).
The OP is not acting consistently with those (IIUC) legal requirements, and therefore what they should be doing is campaigning for a change in the law (not badgering people who are posting legally accurate information on a public forum).
The law is a mess and arguably is not serving private landowners or drivers effectively. Let's get it sorted out..0 -
As it is your space (you pay for it).
Do you get the money recoverd from the motorist?
And is the money you charge the motorist a genuine pre estimate of YOUR loss?
If so then good luck to you.
I belive you have every right to it.
Yes, we do get a commission on the [paid] tickets.And yes, I can justify that. The inconsideration shown to the people that rent these spaces from some drivers is staggering. I have even had a few situations where I could not get my car out because someone had parked in the access road to the car park.0 -
Cornucopia wrote: »This ^^^ is the point.
The law (legal precedent) says that the charges to an errant driver are not enforceable beyond the actual loss to the landowner (or estimate thereof). It also says that it is only enforceable by the landowner (not an agent).
The OP is not acting consistently with those (IIUC) legal requirements, and therefore what they should be doing is campaigning for a change in the law (not badgering people who are posting legally accurate information on a public forum).
This is a situation that was put in place with the advice and consent of the landowner, implemented by the leasehold management company and enforced by the users of the spaces. I cannot begin to get across to you what a problem we were having before this system was in place. I would come home from work after long shifts and find my space being used, then have to either stay awake to wait for a car owner to come back to knock on my door so that I could let them out (as I was forced to block them in in order to park) or park somewhere else if I was going out on public transport so that they could get out, or wait for someone else to remove a car that was blocking me in so that I could get out. I could go on. As someone who has lobbied my own MP about two unrelated matters I am well aware of how difficult it is to implement any change in the law in any area. There are many signs that make it very clear that this is private property and only permit holders can park there so we have no problem with implementing this system. The loss to the landlord could be the fact that some flat tenants of his did move out over problems with parking spaces that they were paying for as did other users who were renting parking spaces only.0 -
But you lease the space so you should be getting the compensation for the loss sufferd not the PPC!Yes, we do get a commission on the [paid] tickets.And yes, I can justify that. The inconsideration shown to the people that rent these spaces from some drivers is staggering. I have even had a few situations where I could not get my car out because someone had parked in the access road to the car park.
Why are you wasting your money?0
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