Private Parking Tickets; An Alternative View

Guys_Dad

winnywood wrote: »

Sorry don't own one just have a big fat fingers and a android keypad.

Nice one ! :beer:

Try https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tfd.mobile.TfdSearch

Half_way

If the OPs case is genuine, then i have sympathise with him/her.

But i wouldnt recomend the private parking company aproach.

As you are aware only the landowner can sue/claim for any genuine losses suffered as a reult of trespass, Asuming that peoople can apply to the DVLA for Registered keeper details (V888 form?) you may have an option to police the parking bay yourslef, so how to do it?

1: Clear signage: warning people that this is private proprty and any vehicles left without permision may be subject to a Parking charge

2: work out your losses, and keep these at a geniune level/as low as possible. As a private individual you may be able to claim for a few other things such as:
Time taken - be sensible here keep a record of how long you take to deal with it, ie a timesheet, and keep the price low £8 to £12 per hour

Materials used - keep the receipts, if youve had to travel to the local shops to buy the items keep a record of how far you have traveled, adn any aditional costs

Other costs, such as Car parking fee for using a pay car park as a reuslt of the person blocking your space, off set this against the £1,000 or so that you pay for your space - roughly £2.75 per day.

Just like a PPc all the above can be a lot of hassle, another option would be signage warning of clamping etc etc - you cant enforce it, and it would be a deterent only.
you could go one step further and buy some wheel clamps and a high vis jacket, clamp your own car, and couple this with signs warning of clamping again this would only be a visual detterent.


then theres lockable bollards that physicaly prevent any one parking there

Cornucopia

That's what's confusing me about this.

If it's about landowners simply trying to protect their interests, why are they getting involved in implied contracts and parking enforcement? Why not use trespass? You put up notices, and any offender goes to court - no mucking around with "fines", just get them into court, damages awarded by the court, and the potential for further action if the same offender comes back.

I see this as very different from a commercial car park trying to enforce regulations or parking charges on people who are invited to park there.

Pompeyboy

winnywood wrote: »

Why?
Because he is the ppc company.

Do you find that you often interpret situations incorrectly? Of course we have access to the account - how else could we list the tickets that we issue?

Pompeyboy

Half_way wrote: »

If the OPs case is genuine, then i have sympathise with him/her.

But i wouldnt recomend the private parking company aproach.

As you are aware only the landowner can sue/claim for any genuine losses suffered as a reult of trespass, Asuming that peoople can apply to the DVLA for Registered keeper details (V888 form?) you may have an option to police the parking bay yourslef, so how to do it?

1: Clear signage: warning people that this is private proprty and any vehicles left without permision may be subject to a Parking charge

2: work out your losses, and keep these at a geniune level/as low as possible. As a private individual you may be able to claim for a few other things such as:
Time taken - be sensible here keep a record of how long you take to deal with it, ie a timesheet, and keep the price low £8 to £12 per hour

Materials used - keep the receipts, if youve had to travel to the local shops to buy the items keep a record of how far you have traveled, adn any aditional costs

Other costs, such as Car parking fee for using a pay car park as a reuslt of the person blocking your space, off set this against the £1,000 or so that you pay for your space - roughly £2.75 per day.

Just like a PPc all the above can be a lot of hassle, another option would be signage warning of clamping etc etc - you cant enforce it, and it would be a deterent only.
you could go one step further and buy some wheel clamps and a high vis jacket, clamp your own car, and couple this with signs warning of clamping again this would only be a visual detterent.


then theres lockable bollards that physicaly prevent any one parking there

You have practical suggestions, but this is my parking space for which I (and the other users) need quick and constant access. The signage is very clear, there is no doubt this is private - 10 signs for 15 parking spaces. If you wouldn't park illicitly in a council/police enforced area why would you do it on private property? Because you thought you could get away with it,perhaps? Oh, and I am a 'him' - the clue being the 'boy' part of my name!

Fergie76

Pompeyboy wrote: »

I do not wish to give information on the charges/commission

So you make a tidy some off this racket....

Pompeyboy wrote: »

then witness you justify your position to the users of the parking spaces, the PPC or the bailiffs when they come to visit you.

I would not be so inconsiderate to purposely use someone else's private space on purpose. However, if I was to accidentally do it and receive and invoice, I can guarantee you that there would be no bailiffs at my door. As I would defend the action in court and probably win.

Pompeyboy wrote: »

Yes, that does happen because it happened to the son of a very good friend of mine (who used one of our spaces) and at the point that it happened (two years after they received the ticket) I was not able to help them with the situation (although I did try).

If you did this to my son you would no longer be my friend...And what do you mean by you tried to help, but were unable to?

The PPC is meant to work for you, not the other way round. So if I told one of my employees not to do something and they went ahead and done it anyway, then they would no longer be my employee.

Half_way

Pompeyboy wrote: »

You have practical suggestions, but this is my parking space for which I (and the other users) need quick and constant access. The signage is very clear, there is no doubt this is private - 10 signs for 15 parking spaces. If you wouldn't park illicitly in a council/police enforced area why would you do it on private property? Because you thought you could get away with it,perhaps? Oh, and I am a 'him' - the clue being the 'boy' part of my name!

I have no problem with private car parks, and in the case of pay and display/pay on exit I always pay the going rate, if the price is to high then i will park else where.
Likewise with Disabled spaces - other people with needs greater than mine need those spaces i will go elsewhere.
and the same with obstructive parking.

If you really want to stop people pinching your space, you ned to take preventative action, a vehicle with a PPC ticket on will still be ocupying your space, a PPC ticket/charge notice will not solve the imediate issue.
The only practical answer would be bollards such as this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JpEXY-5JVc

or if you dont want to get out of your vehicle then ther are remote controled electric versions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imv76EfeJ5A

Pompeyboy

Fergie76 wrote: »

So you make a tidy some off this racket....
I would not be so inconsiderate to purposely use someone else's private space on purpose. However, if I was to accidentally do it and receive and invoice, I can guarantee you that there would be no bailiffs at my door. As I would defend the action in court and probably win.
If you did this to my son you would no longer be my friend...And what do you mean by you tried to help, but were unable to?
The PPC is meant to work for you, not the other way round. So if I told one of my employees not to do something and they went ahead and done it anyway, then they would no longer be my employee.

As I keep saying, you can't not notice the signs...if you can't see them then you shouldn't be driving. After a ticket is not paid and 4 or more warning letters are issued the PPC gets their solicitors involved. I think the solicitors write a couple of times and if this is ignored they pass it to bailiffs. I only knew of the situation at this point and my friend's son had not told his dad about the situation before the bailiffs turned up. I tried to persuade the PPC to drop it but as they explained to me, it was out of their hands. Whatever cynical spin you may wish to put on this I am just telling you what happened.

Pompeyboy

Half_way wrote: »

I have no problem with private car parks, and in the case of pay and display/pay on exit I always pay the going rate, if the price is to high then i will park else where.
Likewise with Disabled spaces - other people with needs greater than mine need those spaces i will go elsewhere.
and the same with obstructive parking.

If you really want to stop people pinching your space, you ned to take preventative action, a vehicle with a PPC ticket on will still be ocupying your space, a PPC ticket/charge notice will not solve the imediate issue.
The only practical answer would be bollards such as this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JpEXY-5JVc

or if you dont want to get out of your vehicle then ther are remote controled electric versions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imv76EfeJ5A

The barrier we had up was a huge cantilever affair made of much thicker steel than those and had it's own plinth, through which four huge steel bolts went deep into the ground. If that could be damaged, I can't see these lasting too long.

winnywood

To pompeyboy please may i ask who do you pay your £1000 to.
Is it the land owner or the ppc.
As you have stated there is 15 spaces for rent so thats £15.000 per year plus what is made from the parking charges.
So how do they reinvest that money
I would suggest that you quit seeking sympathy and aim your frustration at the people that take your money in so called rent (sorry commission based rent).