MSE News: MPs vote to limit benefit rises to 1%

scootw1

flexrider wrote: »

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You said people on JSA are rolling in it....Which is untrue
No one in benefits is rolling in it it's a myth made by The powers that be nasty loony conservative party?

Thanks again for your comments

I'm afraid the only myth is the one you are banding about. How else is tim martin and his wetherspoons empire thriving? Like it or not the majority of people who sit in wetherspoons all day are on benefits. Not everyone is on their level of income sure but plenty are.

princessdon

flexrider wrote: »

the cap according to DWP can be between 20 quid and 250 quid
there pensioners that live on 55 quid a week every day in this country who are getting scuffered by the money they worked for form state pensions paying into the system for 40 -50 odd years, They trying to make it means tested from ATOS testing to ignoring the GP calls for disbilitys.

I raised 2 kids while starting my own business in a one bedroom flat pre 1987 hun 2013 own home paid for one kid 18 degree and looking to find work, other works with my wife on her market stall bot of us self employed because not by choice but by no work available back in the 80's when Maggie was in power, was taught if you cant get work make work which i did by very hardline father

My whole point to my comments is that politicians are untrustworthy they feed the public lots of rubbish but never help anyone get on track sadly. Waste tons of tax paye4r money yet blame the smallest in group for it and I'm sorry if i have offended you in my posts but im just like you working hard fed up of people accusing disabled people of destroying the country by a lie made up by a ponce of millionaires in charge who don't have a clue like Lab our in running the economy

cheers

Pensioners (or even people of pension age - not eligible for pension yet) get is £142.70 pw

yes £142.70 pw for a single person. Plus Attendance Allowance, Plus Housing, Plus Council Tax, Plus other benefits

Add to this you can have vast savings.

Where do you get a pensioner lives on that?

I'd recommend you look at benefits rates instead of believing hard up stories.

flexrider

scootw1 wrote: »

I'm afraid the only myth is the one you are banding about. How else is tim martin and his wetherspoons empire thriving? Like it or not the majority of people who sit in wetherspoons all day are on benefits. Not everyone is on their level of income sure but plenty are.

are you seeing people who work sat raving a pint and you think...hope you are enjoying that pint i paid for in tax expensive or dole...yet you haven't spoken to them to find out there situation have you

This is what the problem is how do you know if you spot something or someone physically in a pub there not working, what if they have days off or work form home like some companies do? my company do sometimes since we are programmers and developers

You see your taking the Governments view everyone unemployed are lazy gits which is untrue? Most people i have interviewed in my own business begged me for a job when i have like 3 or spaces available yet i have to turn them down, even had one guy say he would work 24/7 7 days a week programming or even a job to make cops of teas for designers for 2 quid a hour to get em off the dole.. Proves that he not lazy just how he portrayed by government

AS more become jobless these companies of big business like wither spoons but it more to do with jealously? if you lost your job tomorrow say you had 25k a year job and was forced on benefits of 120 a fortnight would you like it if society cast you as a scrounger?



As for your question on wither spoons? most wither spoons pubs started as a small franchise and had investment from what i mentioned befor social enterprising wither spoons is more diverse because it made the chain of pubs into restaurants and good mark up on what it had to offer on the business model while other types of pubs and brewery's suffered bad business and still are today, a lot of pubs closed down same as Tesco model of business which took out local Greengrocers or shops when they open new, and broke communities up in small rural towns

But if you want to see how a business runs check the stock market it competes on and the business policy and operations not how how it has been reported in the news

Thanks

wozearly

mrs_motivated wrote: »

Has anyone considered that we are in a recession and limiting benefit increases to one percent instead of CPI rate will in effect take millions of pounds out of the local economy?

Assuming that there is a genuine need to find that much money, its a Catch-22. If you raise taxes, you suck the cash out of the economy. If you cut govt spending (benefits or not) then you suck the cash out of the economy.

On this logic, its a case of where you decide to suck the cash out rather than if you do it...and given the numbers involved, its not economically practical to raise such hefty amounts purely from the 'super rich', although the government's ham-fisted approach hasn't exactly fitted with the line "we're all in this together".

There is an alternative. If you don't suck the cash out of the economy you can borrow it, but that means future workers (or yourself, if you're young) will end up paying for it later with interest added. That approach was taken quite a lot during the last government (rightly or wrongly), but Osborne believes its not the right way to solve the problem (again, rightly or wrongly).

flexrider

princessdon wrote: »

Pensioners (or even people of pension age - not eligible for pension yet) get is £142.70 pw

yes £142.70 pw for a single person. Plus Attendance Allowance, Plus Housing, Plus Council Tax, Plus other benefits

Add to this you can have vast savings.

Where do you get a pensioner lives on that?

I'd recommend you look at benefits rates instead of believing hard up stories.

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/newsroom/press-releases/2011/dec-2011/dwp139-11.shtml

also not a story its from a penioner him self told me who lives across the way form me his state pension paid for 45-50 years aged now 82 goes by the name of john 55.22p a week and know a few pensioners who get the same also, no allowance like the site says till auguest 2013 then 103 pound so raised up by say 40 odd quid.

rozmister

scootw1 wrote: »

I'm afraid the only myth is the one you are banding about. How else is tim martin and his wetherspoons empire thriving? Like it or not the majority of people who sit in wetherspoons all day are on benefits. Not everyone is on their level of income sure but plenty are.

I can confirm this. My second job is in a pub in the most deprived area in the South West. We have customers who come in at 11/12 (lunchtime) and carry on drinking until 11pm when they whinge that I'm shutting the pub. I think some of them supplement their income through non-legitimate means but I don't really care how they're funding their all day drinking binges. They shouldn't be happening while they're on benefits. Some are on JSA and some are on the sick - while I have no problem with people going on the sick if you can sit in a pub and drink for 12 hours you aren't sick in my book.

A particular highlight of my second job is when someone asked me if I was ok one night. I explained I was tired because I'd worked all day at my first job and then gone straight there - I work 13 1/2 hours one day a week and I get a 1/2 hour break in the daytime and an hour inbetween the two shifts which I spend driving from one place to another. The customer told me I was 'a mug' and should just 'sign on and chill out'. If only...

flexrider

rozmister wrote: »

I can confirm this. My second job is in a pub in the most deprived area in the South West. We have customers who come in at 11/12 (lunchtime) and carry on drinking until 11pm when they whinge that I'm shutting the pub. I think some of them supplement their income through non-legitimate means but I don't really care how they're funding their all day drinking binges. They shouldn't be happening while they're on benefits. Some are on JSA and some are on the sick - while I have no problem with people going on the sick if you can sit in a pub and drink for 12 hours you aren't sick in my book.

A particular highlight of my second job is when someone asked me if I was ok one night. I explained I was tired because I'd worked all day at my first job and then gone straight there - I work 13 1/2 hours one day a week and I get a 1/2 hour break in the daytime and an hour inbetween the two shifts which I spend driving from one place to another. The customer told me I was 'a mug' and should just 'sign on and chill out'. If only...

I'll admit thats pretty lame and bad and i am sorry for you to work in them conditions but some people grow up like that yes we have problems but its does my head in when say if i walked into a pub looking scruffy or non shaven people judge other people and think hmm benefit fraud er or faker....yet i run a great business and think its no one else business what i do for a living i pay my way in life and it should be the Governments Responsibly to get people working full time Not companies like A4e who are in it for only the money im afraid in a real world we dont have that in 2013..

But it is annoying when you get people judging other people who may ned the help..sorry for the ones you have to deal with they sound like jerks and i would of rang benefit hotline me self on the sly or invite DHSS for a cheap whiskey

flex

princessdon

flexrider wrote: »

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/newsroom/press-releases/2011/dec-2011/dwp139-11.shtml

also not a story its from a penioner him self told me who lives across the way form me his state pension paid for 45-50 years aged now 82 goes by the name of john 55.22p a week and know a few pensioners who get the same also, no allowance like the site says till auguest 2013 then 103 pound so raised up by say 40 odd quid.

LOL that's not £55 per week and full conts is it? :rotfl:


They are talking about the STATE pension.

Google Pension Credits

It will tell you 100% that they get £142 pw as a single claimant, and get full HB, CT etc and have savings.

They KNOW the pension isn't enough - Hence why Pension Credit's (Like Tax credits top up wages, Pension Credits Top up Pensions).

Either your friend isn't aware and if so point him to claim or you are being fed a line

flexrider

zoominatorone wrote: »

Are you trying hard to be obtuse?
most basic example I can think of

1 or 2 parents+ 2 kids=around £200 CASH per week

Joint claim for JSA 134.80 i think form website i seen (will check again in a mo) but income support rukes are

• you have more than £16,000 in capital, you cannot get Income Support.

Capital means things like savings, property and land. However, some capital is ignored, for example, your personal possessions and the home you own and live in. Certain other types of property are also ignored. For full details of other property which is ignored, you should get advice.( scource:



again i repeat as taken form DWP site

Your income is the money you have coming in each week. This could be other benefits, earnings from part-time work, income from capital (see under Your capital) or any other money you have coming in. Your income will affect your Income Support though some income is disregarded. This means that various types of income are not taken into account, for example child maintenance. Other types of income are only partially disregarded so that only part of it affects your benefit.
Your weekly income is compared to a fixed weekly level which the Government considers is the amount you need to live on for Income Support purposes.

so no not 250 quid a week as you say its up to DWP how much you get

Housing Benefit between £80 to £250 week=FREE HOUSE
Council Tax anywhere from £100 to £300 per month=PAID FOR

of course if you was working and got a low wages could you afford rent, Bills,Kids food, Half of the country cant who claim tax credits working min wage...


free school dinners= about £10 per child per week----goverment have cut school dinners out for some schools opr made them smaller for cash saving
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/school-meals-made-smaller-to-save-money-7609009.html



free prescriptions---same old agurement you can get a medicial exempt form form NHS if you have medical conditions, so thats a two way agurment & still be working

Not intrusive Just don't read newspapers yet evaluate both sides to the agreement being a self employed guy to make my own option? newspapers and politicians are liars end of?



free dental treatment---Not free soon have to pay for it unemployed next poart of biull is to introduce a small payment to NHS i think for people on benefits...or scrap the NHS and sell it off to virgin health and O2 as a American healthcare private company...

and if little Jonnie has got "behavioural problems", then add on the carer's money, the DLA et al

DLA is being changed to PIP...in a few months time ( so no excistance of DLA soon many disabled will be retested by ATOS and lose all meaning to travel to work if they have mobility or a care component

Now if you want to factual debate please let me know and thanks
I am getting boared of newpaper theories and the people who read into it not obtrusave just seen how its all going...same plans as 1984 when maggie was in power

cheers

flexrider

princessdon wrote: »

LOL that's not £55 per week and full conts is it? :rotfl:


They are talking about the STATE pension.

Google Pension Credits

It will tell you 100% that they get £142 pw as a single claimant, and get full HB, CT etc and have savings.

They KNOW the pension isn't enough - Hence why Pension Credit's (Like Tax credits top up wages, Pension Credits Top up Pensions).

Either your friend isn't aware and if so point him to claim or you are being fed a line

Listen mate what do you want me to do scan his personal information onto MSE to prove a agruement

Most pensioners are in trouble, that is a fact were 25% in Austerity enviroment, more cuts to come watch this space. Bet something stops its form whats promised to actully happening and if i am wrong ill apoligise

Thanks