MSE News: MPs vote to limit benefit rises to 1%

emweaver

zoominatorone wrote: »

If you have a child, or indeed children, compared to a single person on JSA, the claimant is positively rolling in it, no matter how people try to spin that they aren't.;)

Lol you clearly do not realise how expensive children are to raise, clothes, food, extra water & electric, school trips, school uniforms, birthdays, xmas etc


Also people seem to forget even working people get child benefit and child tax credit.

emweaver

I think they should cut foreign aid and help us, why make our own people poorer then pay out to other countries.

Gentile

bloomingflower wrote: »

At long last,someone who actually knows what they are talking about!

Guilds,your post makes so much sense.:)

This is exactly what I have always felt about employers. There are so many companies out there who do not actually pay there employees a living wage but have also in the process made situations worse by freezing wages too! How can employees compete with that?

And this is exactly the reason why low paid earners are forced to rely on the state to make up the shortfall in benefits just to keep their heads above water.

One could argue that these companies are paying market rates. Not all can be paid the same amount in wages is it ? A shelf stacker in Tescos would probably be considered the most unskilled worker and obviously will be paid the minimum possible wage.

If he thinks he is entitled to more in wages he can go and look for that job. Nobody is forcing the worker to slave away at low wages. Fact is the unskilled and uneducated worker has no choice but to work in these jobs. The market sets the rates.

flight747

Well done Mr Cameron & Mr Clegg, in 2015, goodbye the pairs of you. Tory Coalition will lose by 85% of the general election votes. 15% will votes for them are the millionaires and rich peoples.

scootw1

flight747 wrote: »

Well done Mr Cameron & Mr Clegg, in 2015, goodbye the pairs of you. Tory Coalition will lose by 85% of the general election votes. 15% will votes for them are the millionaires and rich peoples.

I doubt that very much.do you really think the public want to go back to the reckless spending of Labour? People may feel pain now but I think they will realise we need to cut the debts. Of course they could be doing it by taxing the rich and maybe they will in time who knows.the point is the country cannot go on in its current form.

SPELLKASTER

i find this Government is a disgrace. to want to limit a cap of this will cause people poverty. the fact is, things like gas and electric bills are allowed to go up by more then the rate of inflation, same as water bills, tv licence, food costs. how are we supposed to be able to afford to pay for increases in bills if our benefits are not going to rise?

i fear many people will end up in either poverty, or debt.

it is not easy paying the bills when you only get £107 per week. i think this government needs a reality check and get booted out at the next election.

i cant understand why david cameron is so against people claiming welfare; after all, when you have been signed off sick for work following an atos medical it makes life ever more difficult.

and as i cant claim means tested benefits, money is even tighter; i think david cameron needs to live a week on benefits so he can appreciate how realistic everyday life is; as an MP on thousands of pounds a year, he has no idea what the real world is all about!!

i could rant about this for hours; david cameron please leave the welfare state as it is or you will make vulnerable people suffer!!

ILW

guilds wrote: »

By god the penny has dropped, hence no need for the taxpayer having to fund Tesco profits
Do you think it's fair the government paying money to people who work for a company which makes vast profits a company which can afford to pay them properly?, And no No Cuts, until companies are made to pay up the Goverment must fill the that gap

So cutting any benefits for workers is a good idea then?

What do you mean by vast profits?
Vast compared to what?
Do you know what their return on capital is?

Gentile

SPELLKASTER wrote: »

i find this Government is a disgrace. to want to limit a cap of this will cause people poverty. the fact is, things like gas and electric bills are allowed to go up by more then the rate of inflation, same as water bills, tv licence, food costs. how are we supposed to be able to afford to pay for increases in bills if our benefits are not going to rise?

i fear many people will end up in either poverty, or debt.

it is not easy paying the bills when you only get £107 per week. i think this government needs a reality check and get booted out at the next election.

i cant understand why david cameron is so against people claiming welfare; after all, when you have been signed off sick for work following an atos medical it makes life ever more difficult.

and as i cant claim means tested benefits, money is even tighter; i think david cameron needs to live a week on benefits so he can appreciate how realistic everyday life is; as an MP on thousands of pounds a year, he has no idea what the real world is all about!!

i could rant about this for hours; david cameron please leave the welfare state as it is or you will make vulnerable people suffer!!

I am not targetting any severely disabled in this post so apart from them the rest on benefits should actually be grateful they are getting some support from the public purse. To expect inflation busting increases every year is batshit insane. There are many many workers out there earning just above the limit for benefits who actually have nothing left after taking care of housing, food, energy, travel, council tax and day to day expenses. Sky is a luxury and Iphone is unaffordable.

People have forgotten that benefits are actually a short term support while you go and sort your life out. Unless you are severely disabled, you have no excuse to be depending on benefits for more than a year. It has become a lifestyle choice because the previous Labour government was hell bent on creating a generation dependent on benefits who could then be easily manipulated to keep voting them back into power. It has worked and people now think its their god given right to a lot of money for doing nothing.

The only problem in what was a fool proof plan was that in the last elections the hard core Labour voters stayed away from voting ( how ironic if it turned out it was because they wanted to watch telly and could not be arsed haha ) and the hard up workers actually turned up and voted Tories in. The Tories voter base is the main working class and they have to please them and so we have the benefits shake up.

Its real, its coming and it will affect you all. Dont get dependent on the State because the tap is rapidly running dry and when no more money can be borrowed to pay benefits there will be a huge axe that will be swung.

alinwales

my mil has been on benefits the last (at least) 25 years. She's of retirement age now, but still has disability allowance. she gets everything for nothing. She gets a house that she can fill (literally fill) with junk that she buys, she can look after 4 cats, one of which is on expensive medication, she can still walk the mile into town and back. She can get taxis to and from the train station. She shops in waitrose, and can stand around outside in the winter for a few hours a week helping a friend.
She can spend more on my kids than I can, and I earn over 35K!

When I get older, as far as i understand, if i'm not ill for any reason, I will have my own home that I have to pay maintenance on, and all I will get is basic pension on top of the pension that I am paying into now - no additional benefits. If I jacked it all in and spent it now, would I get a house for free when I'm older? and not have to pay for care should I need it?

bloomingflower

Gentile wrote: »

One could argue that these companies are paying market rates. Not all can be paid the same amount in wages is it ? A shelf stacker in Tescos would probably be considered the most unskilled worker and obviously will be paid the minimum possible wage.

If he thinks he is entitled to more in wages he can go and look for that job. Nobody is forcing the worker to slave away at low wages. Fact is the unskilled and uneducated worker has no choice but to work in these jobs. The market sets the rates.

I am trying to get your point.

However,a shelf stacker should actually in fact be paid more in wages in my book. The reason being it is a much more physically demanding job much more than say, working on the checkouts.

Have you seen those huge metal cages you have to pull around?,not to mention all the manual lifting you have to do carrying heavy boxes of tins and produce. It is not just about holding a price gun and shelf stacking.

I should know as I have worked in this job in my late teens and early twenty's.

Why should unskilled workers be undervalued? Just the same as a skilled worker such as a brain surgeon who has lost his job and will decide to do an unskilled job such as shelf stacking or any other job for that matter just to bring a wage in. This does happen.

That same brain surgeon would rather be doing his own job but he still needs to eat and pay bills etc.

You say "nobody forces the worker to slave away at low wages"

Well, actually yes they are forced because who would these companies employ to do these unskilled jobs otherwise? There would be no one.