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MSE News: MPs vote to limit benefit rises to 1%
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bloomingflower wrote: »I am trying to get your point.
However,a shelf stacker should actually in fact be paid more in wages in my book The reason being it is a much more physically demanding job much more than working on the checkouts.
Have you seen those huge metal cages you have to pull around?,not to mention all the manual lifting you have to do carrying heavy boxes of tins and produce. It is not just about holding a price gun and shelf stacking.
I should know as I have done both in my late teens and early twenty's.
Unskilled workers should never be undervalued. Just the same as a brain surgeon who has lost his job and will decide to do an unskilled job such as shelf stacking or any other job for that matter just to bring a wage in. This does happen.
That same brain surgeon would rather be doing his own job but he still needs to eat and pay bills etc.
You say "nobody forces the worker to slave away at low wages"
Well, actually yes they are forced because who would these companies employ to do these unskilled jobs otherwise? There would be no one.
Its called "skills" and skills are not about how much physical the job is. The more skilled you are in something that is valuable the more you get paid. Simple as that and I expect most people to be aware of this. I cannot believe you are querying this. So someone who pulls a huge metal cage around is not important to the company in the grand scheme of things. Its an unskilled job and possibly in the future be replaced by a robot, simple as that.
The worker doing that job has got only those kind of jobs to fall back on because he chose to skip education and went down the path of unskilled life. He cannot compete with a brain surgeon who has acquired invaluable skills through years of really hard work. The brain surgeon is paid the top rate because he holds the life of the patient in his life and he will probably never lose his job.
Sadly, when kids are in school they are never made aware of how important education is and why they should get a degree in medical,dental, IT or law etc. Parents do not spend enough time educating their kids about their future.0 -
So cutting any benefits for workers is a good idea then?
What do you mean by vast profits?
Vast compared to what?
Do you know what their return on capital is?
Tesco profits of £3.8bn in 2011thats vast and employees are on tax credits. As for cuts read my post fully NO! not until wages are paid fairly. ILW With profits like that is it fair?
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The amount a benefit claimant take is around 3k per application?
how do you work out 26k per benefit application...Any evidence of this apart form daily mail or newspapers>
There are families out there receiving more than £26k in Tax Credits alone..........add on CB, HB, CTB and it becomes a scary amount of money.0 -
I would suggest it is as much about availability of skills rather than the level.Its called "skills" and skills are not about how much physical the job is. The more skilled you are in something that is valuable the more you get paid. Simple as that and I expect most people to be aware of this. I cannot believe you are querying this. So someone who pulls a huge metal cage around is not important to the company in the grand scheme of things. Its an unskilled job and possibly in the future be replaced by a robot, simple as that.
The worker doing that job has got only those kind of jobs to fall back on because he chose to skip education and went down the path of unskilled life. He cannot compete with a brain surgeon who has acquired invaluable skills through years of really hard work. The brain surgeon is paid the top rate because he holds the life of the patient in his life and he will probably never lose his job.
Sadly, when kids are in school they are never made aware of how important education is and why they should get a degree in medical,dental, IT or law etc. Parents do not spend enough time educating their kids about their future.
In simple terms if there are more people qualified to do a job than jobs available, then wages will drop.
So getting an education and training is not always the answer.
Some of the biggest earners I know are running their own small building companies and racking it in, despite having virtually no formal qualifications.0 -
Its called "skills" and skills are not about how much physical the job is. The more skilled you are in something that is valuable the more you get paid. Simple as that and I expect most people to be aware of this. I cannot believe you are querying this. So someone who pulls a huge metal cage around is not important to the company in the grand scheme of things. Its an unskilled job and possibly in the future be replaced by a robot, simple as that.
The worker doing that job has got only those kind of jobs to fall back on because he chose to skip education and went down the path of unskilled life. He cannot compete with a brain surgeon who has acquired invaluable skills through years of really hard work. The brain surgeon is paid the top rate because he holds the life of the patient in his life and he will probably never lose his job.
Sadly, when kids are in school they are never made aware of how important education is and why they should get a degree in medical,dental, IT or law etc. Parents do not spend enough time educating their kids about their future.
Yes,I understand all of what you have said and it makes a lot of sense! (Your post is quite good actually
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However,I was making a point that if that brain surgeon did lose his job what would he do in the meantime to put food on his table to feed his kids? Say he couldn't find a new job in his field straight away or never for that matter? Would he not take any unskilled job?
I was using a brain surgeon as an example.
A skilled worker who is desperate enough would take any unskilled job in order to survive. That was my point.0 -
DLA is being changed to PIP...in a few months time ( so no excistance of DLA soon many disabled will be retested by ATOS and lose all meaning to travel to work if they have mobility or a care component
Now if you want to factual debate please let me know and thanks
I am getting boared of newpaper theories and the people who read into it not obtrusave just seen how its all going...same plans as 1984 when maggie was in power
cheers
Surely it's a good thing that it's being reassesed though. If you genuinely need additional financial assistance due to a disability then fair enough, but why should everyone get additional money if the disability doesn't cost them anything extra?0 -
Lol you clearly do not realise how expensive children are to raise, clothes, food, extra water & electric, school trips, school uniforms, birthdays, xmas etc
Also people seem to forget even working people get child benefit and child tax credit.
I disagree with this and I have children.
If you have 1 child and your bills are X, you can have a 2nd child and receive approx £70 extra a week. Now I'm sorry but I don't see how your utility bills will increase any, and you won't be spending £70 a week on additional food and clothing.0 -
There are families out there receiving more than £26k in Tax Credits alone..........add on CB, HB, CTB and it becomes a scary amount of money.
Like who??? Joke people believe people like you even if you had 4 kids you'd have 2 be getting like 300 a week wtc to get anywhere near that amount!!!! Simple people who dont work couldnt claim 26grand taxcredits....Ignore reality.There's nothing you can do about it.
I have done reading too!
personally test's all her own finds0
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