MSE News: MPs vote to limit benefit rises to 1%

regbrown

ILW wrote: »

Tell me what has been taken away?
Even allowing for inflation it is just a matter of giving less. That is different to taking something away.

Really? Wow.

the price of goods and services will be going up by whatever inflation is, so unless the rise is in line with inflation they have less money to buy the same things.

That's why us who have not had a pay rise are actually suffering a pay cut in real terms.

ILW

regbrown wrote: »

Really? Wow.

the price of goods and services will be going up by whatever inflation is, so unless the rise is in line with inflation they have less money to buy the same things.

That's why us who have not had a pay rise are actually suffering a pay cut in real terms.

So what has been taken off you?
How much have you had to give to the government?

regbrown

ILW wrote: »

So what has been taken off you?
How much have you had to give to the government?

Its clear you are not going to get the point, so I shall leave you to whatever version of reality gives you peace

ILW

regbrown wrote: »

Its clear you are not going to get the point, so I shall leave you to whatever version of reality gives you peace

Think your point is rather misleading. Yes you may be getting less than you did, but nobody is taking anything from you.

Example, if a relative were to kindly give me £50 every week for a while, when they stopped I would not accuse them of taking anything from me.

regbrown

ILW wrote: »

Think your point is rather misleading. Yes you may be getting less than you did, but nobody is taking anything from you.

Example, if a relative were to kindly give me £50 every week for a while, when they stopped I would not accuse them of taking anything from me.

1. "you" did you miss the bit where I say I have not had a pay rise, being in the private sector all my life.
2. Awful example, as most are. We don't need to think about your auntie, we are capable of understanding that inflation reduces the amount you have to purchase things with. Well most of us are

ILW

regbrown wrote: »

1. "you" did you miss the bit where I say I have not had a pay rise, being in the private sector all my life.
2. Awful example, as most are. We don't need to think about your auntie, we are capable of understanding that inflation reduces the amount you have to purchase things with. Well most of us are

Still not getting it.
Since when does giving someone less equate to taking something away?

regbrown

ILW wrote: »

Still not getting it.
Since when does giving someone less equate to taking something away?

enjoy your evening

SandraScarlett

ILW wrote: »

Think your point is rather misleading. Yes you may be getting less than you did, but nobody is taking anything from you.

Example, if a relative were to kindly give me £50 every week for a while, when they stopped I would not accuse them of taking anything from me.

£50 a week? :jWould your relative like to adopt me?

xx

SandraScarlett

wouldbeqaulitymoneysaver wrote: »

Ian Duncan Smith would go to Claridges, etc. He has no compunction about charging his expenses to the Taxpayer and that includes me, because I pay ridiculously high amounts of VAT which is a T-A-X yet MSE and benefits bashers won't regard me as having Taxpayer Rights, because I pay a 'Spending' Tax.

On what? The items on which you pay VAT are purchased by choice. If you work under the PAYE system, you cannot choose not to pay income tax one month.

If you are self employed, you have to employ an accountant to assist you with the complicated forms that are required for submitting your financial details, and pay income tax. Whereas if you are paying ridiculously high amounts of VAT, you must be buying some ridiculously pricey items.

How on earth are you affording these items, if your benefits aren't giving you a sufficient amount of money to do so? I don't understand how you can. My DH and I are "on benefits", ie SRPs and DLA for DH, with sufficient income from private pensions to take us over the thresh-hold for Pension Credit.

We certainly cannot afford pricey items. If your budget doesn't allow you to spend on these items, then you don't. And of course, everyone, including the work force, also pays the same ridiculously high amounts of VAT that you do - providing they've got enough spare cash, after they've paid their work-related costs like travel, NI and Tax.

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bloolagoon

SandraScarlett wrote: »

On what? The items on which you pay VAT are purchased by choice. If you work under the PAYE system, you cannot choose not to pay income tax one month.

If you are self employed, you have to employ an accountant to assist you with the complicated forms that are required for submitting your financial details, and pay income tax. Whereas if you are paying ridiculously high amounts of VAT, you must be buying some ridiculously pricey items.

How on earth are you affording these items, if your benefits aren't giving you a sufficient amount of money to do so? I don't understand how you can. My DH and I are "on benefits", ie SRPs and DLA for DH, with sufficient income from private pensions to take us over the thresh-hold for Pension Credit.

We certainly cannot afford pricey items. If your budget doesn't allow you to spend on these items, then you don't. And of course, everyone, including the work force, also pays the same ridiculously high amounts of VAT that you do - providing they've got enough spare cash, after they've paid their work-related costs like travel, NI and Tax.

xx

Well considering they are reliant on benefits and posting from an Iphone etc last week, they certainly either aid the stereotype that genuine claimants fight hard to stop being stigmatised against or they have far too much disposable income don't they?

Like you I certainly don't pay a vast amount in VAT either - if I did what can I then claim to be my "tax bill"?