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MSE News: MPs vote to limit benefit rises to 1%
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Why is it unfair giving an example of what actually goes on?
Do you believe everyone has 2.4 kids and no-one out there receives £10's of thousands in benefit handouts each year?
Responsible people have children they can afford - far too many out there regard it as a career that they can make money from.
Because everyone that claims doesnt have 6 kids and doesnt get extra for disability so your using that because thay will get a high payment ... so to say everuone who claims benefit gets 26000 in tax credits is rubbish...
Hear let me show you....
None working person
4 kids..... 11.276.72 child tax credits.....
Working person
n 4 kids same as above
11.276.72 or 216.86 a week (just to make it easy for you )Ignore reality.There's nothing you can do about it.
I have done reading too!
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Many people had kids they could afford, then the Rich and powerful screwed not only this country, but the world economy, meaning many of those who were able to afford their children lost their jobs through no fault of their own.Why is it unfair giving an example of what actually goes on?
Do you believe everyone has 2.4 kids and no-one out there receives £10's of thousands in benefit handouts each year?
Responsible people have children they can afford - far too many out there regard it as a career that they can make money from.
What do you suggest they do? Give the kids up? throw them out on the street?
Benefits such as WTC are there to bring a persons income upto a liveable level. It's not a case of people using children as a career, that quote simply shows how ignorant and uneducated you are, that you believe that this is the case for the majority when it clearly isn't.
Many of the big businesses in this country are still making hundreds of millions in profits, and yet are paying their staff peanuts, knowing that they don't have to as the Government will subsidise their profits for them either by Tax Credits or by providing them with free labour.
If you want to get rid of tax credits then there is a simple solution, increase the NMW to a level where for the ordinary family, not the one off DM reported family of 6/8/9/10.... children, can live to a reasonable quality without the need for state help.
Again I'll repeat what has been said on this thread.
This cap affects around 10m people, 7m of those are in work.
70% of those who are going to be financially worse off, who are in the lowest income brackets, are hardworking families, not as you claim, those who sit around all day doing nothing.[SIZE=-1]To equate judgement and wisdom with occupation is at best . . . insulting.
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Because everyone that claims doesnt have 6 kids and doesnt get extra for disability so your using that because thay will get a high payment ... so to say everuone who claims benefit gets 26000 in tax credits is rubbish...
Hear let me show you....
None working person
4 kids..... 11.276.72 child tax credits.....
Working person
n 4 kids same as above
11.276.72 or 216.86 a week (just to make it easy for you )
Would you care to quote my post that states EVERYONE gets this? I think you will find I stated that there are SOME people out there getting ridiculous amounts of benefit money because there are lots of people with multiple children and disabilities claiming very high amounts of benefits.
And I'm sorry, I don't understand your examples.........or half of the words you use.......0 -
Another uneducated idiot.....Even a 1% rise is not enough for some. A rise for doing nothing ! And we are wondering why the deficit is going sky high.
70% of those affected by the cap are working families.[SIZE=-1]To equate judgement and wisdom with occupation is at best . . . insulting.
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Would you care to quote my post that states EVERYONE gets this? I think you will find I stated that there are SOME people out there getting ridiculous amounts of benefit money because there are lots of people with multiple children and disabilities claiming very high amounts of benefits.
And I'm sorry, I don't understand your examples.........or half of the words you use.......
Yes some are hence why you keep quoting large familys and disabled.... my point is large familys with disabled people isent everyone...simple enough for you ??Ignore reality.There's nothing you can do about it.
I have done reading too!
personally test's all her own finds0 -
Another uneducated idiot.....
Your language suggests otherwise.
Regarding working families being affected, they should work harder, work smarter, learn more skills, go to evening school and learn a trade what ever it takes to get out of the low paying job that they are stuck in. The world is moving at a fast pace. Anybody who does not adapt to the changing circumstances will be left behind. That is the way it is. You can no longer afford to go to work 9 -5 and hope to be set up for life.0 -
Many people had kids they could afford, then the Rich and powerful screwed not only this country, but the world economy, meaning many of those who were able to afford their children lost their jobs through no fault of their own.
What do you suggest they do? Give the kids up? throw them out on the street?
Benefits such as WTC are there to bring a persons income upto a liveable level. It's not a case of people using children as a career, that quote simply shows how ignorant and uneducated you are, that you believe that this is the case for the majority when it clearly isn't.
Many of the big businesses in this country are still making hundreds of millions in profits, and yet are paying their staff peanuts, knowing that they don't have to as the Government will subsidise their profits for them either by Tax Credits or by providing them with free labour.
If you want to get rid of tax credits then there is a simple solution, increase the NMW to a level where for the ordinary family, not the one off DM reported family of 6/8/9/10.... children, can live to a reasonable quality without the need for state help.
Again I'll repeat what has been said on this thread.
This cap affects around 10m people, 7m of those are in work.
70% of those who are going to be financially worse off, who are in the lowest income brackets, are hardworking families, not as you claim, those who sit around all day doing nothing.
My education level is perfectly adequate thank you, and it certainly isn't ignorance. I deal with approximately 12000 Tax Credit claims per year, so I would say I am probably in quite a good position to comment on it.
Every day there are long-term unemployed calling up to add yet more kids onto their claims - these are people who haven't lost their jobs - they have just never worked. A good proportion of them also happen to be "single", yet all their kids happen to have the same surname......
CTC payments can be very large indeed - especially when there are multiple children, disabilities, childcare etc......
You then come to WTC.......pretty much every person who claims to work s/e also claims to earn little or no money.......for years on end - if it isn't a viable business then why do it if not to receive WTC and avoid having to sign on.
At the end of the day, benefits are still increasing year upon year, regardless of the amount and something has to be done about it as it's unsustainable.
I don't think anyone is arguing that a single person getting basic JSA is well off, but a person with a few kids getting hundreds of pounds cash in hand and getting free or massively subsidised housing along all the other passported benefits are well off.
Disability payments - why should everyone who is deemed to be disabled get additional money? Sometimes twice if they get DLA and also disability element of Tax Credits. Again - if you have neccesary additional costs then fine, you should get some assistance, but if you don't then why should you get extra money?0 -
Yes some are hence why you keep quoting large familys and disabled.... my point is large familys with disabled people isent everyone...simple enough for you ??
What's the point you are badly trying to make?
I've already said some families get very large amounts of benefits, but not all. Are you trying to argue something we are both saying?0 -
Then in which case it is time to stop providing free labour to multimillion pound/multinational companies. Where is the incentive for businesses to employ people when the Government will give them the labour they need for free via workfare? For every workfare position provided to a company, it is potentially 2 paid jobs not provided to the unemployed.
It is also time to increase the NMW to such a level that a full time employee would not qualify for such benefits.
This is the problem with the gullible/uneducated who believe every word that comes from the DM or the Tories, they don't want anyone to receive benefits, but at the same time neither will they accept that in order for many people who do work, who are not scroungers, who work just as hard if not harder than those earning vast sums of money, in order for them to live a life of the minimum standard they need to have more cash available to them from their employment.
The only other way to do it is to increase the tax free allowance, take those who earn £15k or less out of tax completely. However, that does nothing for those who can only work part-time or whose income is already below the tax free allowance.
Those who are not affected by changes to benefits want their cake, and everyone elses too.
They refuse to accept that people need benefits, they demand that benefits are stopped, they demand that people live without any quality of life if they dare to claim a benefit due to the low pay they receive, yet they complain at every option available to break the cycle, such as increasing the NMW, or giving extra tax relief.
To them anyone on NMW is a failure and does not deserve to live in their world.
What an excellent post!!!:beer:
Not everyone will agree
But I agree fully and there is nothing more that I could add to what you have said which I agree with.:T0 -
What's the point you are badly trying to make?
I've already said some families get very large amounts of benefits, but not all. Are you trying to argue something we are both saying?
It is very a case of a few posters who are rolling it in via benefits trying miserably and failing to convince us that being on benefits does not pay much. You only have to read a few threads on the first page to get the answer, plenty of threads being started with the headline " entitled calculator is offering me 500 a week, its such a huge amount, is it correct ? am I worth so much ! " :rotfl:0
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