Infrared Heating Panels

fishybusiness

That is apparent, which is why for a long while, on different threads, several people have been patiently explaining the situation.

However, the fact is that the infrared panels do work, come see..

The thrust of all my posts is that you are talking nonsense about the heat output of your heaters. You self-evidently find being corrected on technical matters annoying.

So prove it.

Your debate, and argument centres around mocking the possibility infrared defies the laws of physics, yet obviously they cannot and no one has inferred that, ever.

If you could conceivably consider that infrared panels do heat space, by virtue of heating objects and people around them, and in considering this view, myself and one or two others may have a point.

So far from defining the argument, I am sure that we could have common ground on that subject; albeit you don't seem to appreciate the damage of your incorrect posts!

I'm afraid I don't as where I sit, I see a 600W panel keeping me warm. There is no damage in actually saying that.

grahamc2003

Fishy, if you really do have a lowly hnc in engineering, then that itself is a travesty.

I'm afraid I think you are nothing more than an antagonist (or, in common parlance, a troll). You cannot possibly say 'doh!!!!!!! I know all that' and then go onto to say many things many times which totally contradict those very basic things you say you know, and end a post with something totally unconnected to the discussion such as 'I'm sitting here being warmed by a radiative panel', as if anyone said or implied that you weren't or couldn't be.

Anyhow, I'll leave you to your fun and games if anyone else wants to continue sparring with you, but I'll just advise anyone reading to really ignore anything you have to say.

fishybusiness

Fishy, if you really do have a lowly hnc in engineering, then that itself is a travesty.

I'm afraid I think you are nothing more than an antagonist (or, in common parlance, a troll). You cannot possibly say 'doh!!!!!!! I know all that' and then go onto to say many things many times which totally contradict those very basic things you say you know, and end a post with something totally unconnected to the discussion such as 'I'm sitting here being warmed by a radiative panel', as if anyone said or implied that you weren't or couldn't be.

Anyhow, I'll leave you to your fun and games if anyone else wants to continue sparring with you, but I'll just advise anyone reading to really ignore anything you have to say.

With respect, I can say what I want.

My point has always been, from the very beginning of the infrared panel debate.........

They do work, more or less as the manufacturers claim, and that there is no 'snake oil' involved, nor are they are a con.

That I have stood my ground, in the best way that I know, based on my experience of using them is no crime.

That yourself and one or two other members of the forum have cast infrared panels out of mind without even using them is in my opinion, making a mockery of the good advice this forum can give.

That you cannot say 'we don't know, we have never used them' is a terrible place to be.

grahamc2003

Please don't represent what I and others are objecting to. You continually say that we are saying that the panels 'don't work', which no one has said. I even asked for a link to where that had been said, and you ignored the request, and once again in the above post, you repeat your completely made-up nonsense again.

This is the type of claim myself, and I assume others, are saying is utter nonsense in that it creates a complete misrepresentation (one example of several)

So, yes they do save money, they draw approx. half of the current of the oil filled radiator, and the room is just as warm.

The view that you have to own something to understand it is nonsense too. Would you say the Titanic was a poor design? I suppose you have no idea since you didn't own it. Was Concorde a fast aircraft?. Did the space shuttle designers know nothing about the space shuttle because none of them owned one?

yangptangkipperbang

yawn!!!!!..............

jwdale80

I noticed that the National Trust for Scotland were so desperate to cut heating costs that they are trialling this type of heating. I'm wondering if this is a better opportunity for a review of this product that might be less influenced by potential 'bias', from the sellers marketing. The results will be interesting.
I'm just wondering if 'fishybuisness' has any results from his meter- how much of an increase?

Richie-from-the-Boro

jwdale80 wrote: »

I noticed that the National Trust for Scotland were so desperate to cut heating costs that they are trialling this type of heating. I'm wondering if this is a better opportunity for a review of this product that might be less influenced by potential 'bias', from the sellers marketing. The results will be interesting.
I'm just wondering if 'fishybuisness' has any results from his meter- how much of an increase?

Good morning insomniac - Today 4:52 AM

- if you, like the NT could spend £6k on pre-insulation
- before you spend £6k on an infranomic system
- then yes you would benefit
- a leaky building will lose heat regardless of heat type
- a well insulated building will retain heat regardless of heat type
- Germany & Japan have, and have had, uber insulation regs for years

My point is a draughty and poorly insulated dwelling will lose heat no matter what heating type is used. Conversely a coal / wood / coke / gas / electricity / ground source / tea-light candles or any other form of heating will also achieve close to the 45% claimed if the building is uber insulated.

There's nothing magical about infranomic's other than its stunning delivery design, aka, if you want your fire to look like a mirror / art design / photograph then infranomic's is the way to go.

fishybusiness

I noticed that the National Trust for Scotland were so desperate to cut heating costs that they are trialling this type of heating. I'm wondering if this is a better opportunity for a review of this product that might be less influenced by potential 'bias', from the sellers marketing. The results will be interesting.
I'm just wondering if 'fishybuisness' has any results from his meter- how much of an increase?

Thanks for the interesting snippet.

No more postings from me regarding IR panels I'm afraid.

Perhaps the NT Scotland will come over for a read and post their 'results' when they are in :rotfl:

jwdale80

Great, thanks for the posts. Like 'fishybuisness', I also have 2 of these heaters. 1 heater is 1kw to 2kw (set at 19.5c for 8 hours, 17c the rest) and the other 550w (set at 19c for 12 hours, and 16c the rest). My average daily usage is around 8 kw's more. My strategy with these heaters is firstly- to keep the baby room warm (small heater), and to offset the use of oil. I bought only £160 of oil at the beginning of november and it still has not run out.
My point is that even if all electric heating is the same efficiency, it might be possible to save on heating bills if used strategically- to offset buying a large bulk of heating oil. 8 units does not seem huge, when it is used sensibly- thermostatically controlled and timed to work only when desired.
One might also consider potential health benefits with these heaters. I personally find that my sinuses and chest problems are not as bad when the heaters are being used.

Cardew

jwdale80 wrote: »

Great, thanks for the posts. Like 'fishybuisness', I also have 2 of these heaters. 1 heater is 1kw to 2kw (set at 19.5c for 8 hours, 17c the rest) and the other 550w (set at 19c for 12 hours, and 16c the rest). My average daily usage is around 8 kw's more. My strategy with these heaters is firstly- to keep the baby room warm (small heater), and to offset the use of oil. I bought only £160 of oil at the beginning of november and it still has not run out.
My point is that even if all electric heating is the same efficiency, it might be possible to save on heating bills if used strategically- to offset buying a large bulk of heating oil. 8 units does not seem huge, when it is used sensibly- thermostatically controlled and timed to work only when desired.
One might also consider potential health benefits with these heaters. I personally find that my sinuses and chest problems are not as bad when the heaters are being used.

Would you care to tell us how much the said heaters cost to purchase?

Our point is that for your daily consumption of 8kWh, you would get exactly the same amount of heat from any electrical heater - including a £10 fan heater or £20 oil filled radiator.

Also the cost of the 8kWh of electricity will be considerably more than 8kWh provided by oil CH.

As for the 'health giving properties' of the heaters - words fail me!!