Infrared Heating Panels

grahamc2003

fishybusiness wrote: »

I know???????????????????????? Durrrr!

I'm afraid you know a lot less than you think you know. For exmple, you don't know the difference between energy and power, nor the units of them, as evidence by a previous post. This is a very basic knowledge requirement when talking about heating and heat delivery.

You are certainly in no position whatsoever to try patronisng anyone here.

fishybusiness

To claim that your infrared panels can produce twice the amount of heat as your oil filled radiator for the same consumption of electricity is simply incorrect, wrong, false, impossible!

Ah, but I am not claiming that, you are. I have never said that.

The panels heat people and objects, they do not directly heat air. But then I think you know that.

There are thousands of entries on the web that will confirm that what I state is correct, it really is a basic law of physics.

Indeed, they will, as what YOU state is correct, I didn't say that.

I can understand that you might have paid a lot of money for your infrared heaters(or you sell them!) and it is hard to admit you have been scammed.

£270 each.

If your panel draws 600watts and maintains the temperature in the room, then an oil filled radiator or any other electrical heater drawing the same 600watts will also maintain the temperature in the room.

I've shown differently haven't I. Although belittled by you.

Would it make you feel better if other people were also scammed?

Yet another prod from the 'Master'. Suggesting I have been scammed is an interesting way of looking at things. Perhaps you could cite your evidence of my scamming, based on your knowledge, experience and understanding.

I'm quite sure if I saw someone was having money taken from them for a product that was useless I would act accordingly. You may have noticed I have strong views of my own. Feeling happy that someone was being scammed is not part of my world, and you attempting to push that point is indicative of your own 'method' on the forum.

What if......it turned out you were wrong, well there would a thing. Offer still there, come over and have a look.

fishybusiness

You are certainly in no position whatsoever to try patronisng anyone here.

Yet I have them in my home, and you are telling me they don't work, how can that be?

grahamc2003

fishybusiness wrote: »

Yet I have them in my home, and you are telling me they don't work, how can that be?

Link please to where I've said they don't work.


If you actually read and understood what is being said, a few people are telling you, as a simple matter of fact, that they produce the same heat, exactly, as any other heater with the same power rating. Not a pico joule more, and not a pico joule less - exactly the same. Anyhow, link to where I said they don't work -otherwise, readers will think you simply make things up as you go along.

fishybusiness

Link please to where I've said they don't work.

Are you saying you think they do work as I've described, or as you have described below?

If your room loses heat at 0.5kW, then you have to supply heat at an average rate of 0.5kW to maintain the temperature. It doesn't matter whether you sypply 0.5kW with a 500W heat on constantly, or a 1kW heater on half the time, or a 1.5kw heater on 1/3 of the time. they'll all cost the same, even if they are from radiative panels, a fan heater, a halogen heater or a bank of 5 100W lightbulbs.

If your experimental results don't agree with the above, then, if you haven't realised already, it indicates your experimental method is lacking (putting it mildly).

yangptangkipperbang

NO ONE will admit to buying a product that is inferior to another, no matter what justification is put forward by those who disagree..................

MY Car, TV, DVD Player, Phone, PC, Camera, Fridge, Cooker, ISP, Printer, Double Glazing AND heating is better than ANYONE else's - even if it did cost 6 times as much.
So, in justifying my purchase, if I say that the sun rises in the West, water flows uphill and all the Laws of Physics do not apply to my goods, then I am RIGHT !!

.......so there.............:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

fishybusiness

NO ONE will admit to buying a product that is inferior to another, no matter what justification is put forward by those who disagree..................

MY Car, TV, DVD Player, Phone, PC, Camera, Fridge, Cooker, ISP, Printer, Double Glazing AND heating is better than ANYONE else's - even if it did cost 6 times as much.
So, in justifying my purchase if I say that the sun rises in the West, water flows uphill and all the Laws of Physics do not apply to my goods, then I am RIGHT !!

A fence sitter or an advocate of the 100% rule?

The whole debate has been hijacked in to a 'can we create extra heat and so energy by using infrared panels', the answer always being no, and one which I subscribe to. There you go Master.

However, very little mention of the concept of infrared energy heating people and objects rather than the air.

That is where the debate should be, 600W of infrared energy suffices to heat objects in my room, including me.

That is all I am bothered about, and it works, I wonder, if anyone has actually considered the pro's and con's of infrared, and is able to comment from practice?

Cardew

fishybusiness wrote: »

However, very little mention of the concept of infrared energy heating people and objects rather than the air.

That is where the debate should be, 600W of infrared energy suffices to heat objects in my room, including me.

That 'debate' is totally different to this statement you made:

So, yes they do save money, they draw approx. half of the current of the oil
filled radiator, and the room is just as warm.

Also all your 'statistics'(I use the term loosely) showing how the 600watts infrared heater puts out the same heat as a 1.5kW oil filled radiator.

Infrared heaters are sometimes used in an unheated garage and 'pointed' toward someone sitting at a bench, and years ago(before CH was widely available) were very popular in unheated bathrooms.

The analogy to a desk reading lamp where a 20 watt bulb gives sufficient illumination to read, but not illuminate the room has also been made.

The purpose of the posts, that you find so annoying, is to prevent people being duped into believing the rubbish put out by some distributers and in some case charging over £1,000 for a single heater.

fishybusiness

Also all your 'statistics'(I use the term loosely) showing how the 600watts infrared heater puts out the same heat as a 1.5kW oil filled radiator.

Nope. But that we have a warm room using an infrared panel, and the air temperature is maintained using the panel. Also, the air temperature can also be maintained using an oiled filled radiator, and that more current was drawn when using the oil filled radiator.

I am not clever enough to account for the differences.

The purpose of the posts, that you find so annoying, is to prevent people being duped into believing the rubbish put out by some distributers and in some case charging over £1,000 for a single heater.

Nope, you are again defining the argument, supposing what I may find annoying, and then arguing that point.

Do you seriously think that I find anyone's attempts at guiding consumers away from overcharging companies annoying?

I'm quite sure you know what I am saying, despite your mocking and prodding.

Cardew

fishybusiness wrote: »

I am not clever enough to account for the differences.

That is apparent, which is why for a long while, on different threads, several people have been patiently explaining the situation.

I thought the knowledge gained in your new career would enable you to understand this statement.

The purpose of the posts, that you find so annoying, is to prevent people being
duped into believing the rubbish put out by some distributers and in some case
charging over £1,000 for a single heater.

Try reading it again!

The thrust of all my posts is that you are talking nonsense about the heat output of your heaters. You self-evidently find being corrected on technical matters annoying.

The argument has always been on technical matters. Where do I state, or even imply, that we are in dispute about preventing people being duped?

So far from defining the argument, I am sure that we could have common ground on that subject; albeit you don't seem to appreciate the damage of your incorrect posts!

The Master!
(I am sure that term you use is heartfelt and not mocking)