Infrared Heating Panels

Cardew

missionary wrote: »

Cardew you will understand that I have to be careful not to break forum rules on commercialism. But take a look at the Energy Saving Trust website, you should find it informative.

M

Firstly you don't break any MSE rules on commercialism if you comment in general terms on a technology; what you mustn't do is promote a specific named heater.

I am fully aware of the facts(I am a Chartered Electrical engineer) so don't need to look at the EST website. I am also aware of the pros and cons of IR heating.

Even your 'reasoned' post still implies that you get more heat/warmth for the same energy consumption - and you simply don't.

Yes, in the home there is no instant heat effect when a panel is turned on, and for that reason infra-red heating is generally left running constantly at a thermostatically controlled temperature.

I simply don't understand the above quote of yours. A main advantage of IR heating is there is instant effect heating with IR heating - it 'beams' heat at an individual. Leaving an IR heater running constantly means that it produces exactly the same heat, for the same cost as any other similarly rated heater. The room will get exactly as warm with an IR heater of say 500w as it will with a 500w Oil filled rad(for the same cost)

My request was for you to comment on that extract (fantasy heat) that states the annual running cost for a 20m2 room is £39.60 with IR heating against £198 for an oil filled radiator. Do you agree or disagree that it is reasonable?

You 'throw in' remarks about the 'Health Benefits' of IR heating as if it is an established medically proven fact - and it ain't! or perhaps you can point to a peer reviewed medical paper from a recognised source.

Rather than pay £1,000 a heater - people report paying £12,000 for a house - why not use something like this for £30


A household infrared electric heater

We have all agreed that IR heaters have their uses - in an unheated garage or bathroom directed toward the occupant. Or perhaps cooking a kebab!

So please feel free to debate.

Richie-from-the-Boro

HiYa mish,

add a little fact to its content

- what fact other than those already long discussed in this and other threads ?

large order of snake oil to fulfil

- good for you see next quote

the older generation when replacing storage heaters

- they do unfortunately believe the hype, fortunately the ASA do not believe much of what IR replacement NSH sellers have said

the older generation when replacing storage heaters

- [my bold], how much energy / heat do IR advertised replacement storage radiators store ?

health benefits of infra-red

- educate me, I can think of many dangers to both health & safety from IR, which type of infrared have health benefits and what are those benefits ?

EST website

- its the GOV arm for reducing greenhouse gas and promoting climate change. Its the inverse of saving individual households money on electric heating bills

I trust that I have not broken any of Martin's commercial rules

- not really, I assume you are here to flog £1500 a go IR NSH replacements [that store no heat at all] that can be replaced for less than £50

lstar337

missionary wrote: »

Apologies for a belated late contribution to the thread, but I just had to add a little fact to its content. (Sorry but I have had a large order of snake oil to fulfil to be despatched to the northern Home Counties first.)

Yes I sell low energy products majoring on infra-red heating. I am no gel haired sharp suited salesman but a 66 year old of somewhat crumpled appearance but also possess a technical degree and a lot of experience.

Much of that which has been written for and against infra-red is approximately correct. But we recognise that some people don't 'get it'. That is until they stay in a home for half a day and see and feel how it works, and at the same time peruse the owner's lowering electricity bills.

Infra-red heats the body and soul but not the air; yet space does warm-up, though via radiated heat from soft furnishings and human (and pet's) bodies amongst other things. Therefore the heating is not busy warming thin air to produce a warm layer from 6ft off the floor and up to the ceiling, its going straight to the occupants. As has been written, its like the heat from sunshine, you get a warm feeling inside, and for this reason many customers are of the senior generation. They feel the benefit in their joints and bones, with the added bonus that asthmatic and chest conditions are not aggravated by dust circulating in the constant convection current produced by common heating systems that heat the air.

Yes, in the home there is no instant heat effect when a panel is turned on, and for that reason infra-red heating is generally left running constantly at a thermostatically controlled temperature. Either centrally controlled or via individual panel controls. The advent of home wifi controllers and the marvellous new generation smart phone operated controllers can make it even more effective, and run at an even lower cost. But in the average home a constant consumption of 2kw for a whole infra-red system is common.

So who buys infra-red ?

1/ As observed, the older generation when replacing a worn-out gas to rad system or storage heaters. Or who want some of the health benefits of infra-red.

2/ Homes with PV solar where owners are usually very keen on low cost electrical systems – especially if there is free electricity all day, even if they have to pay for a limited supply from the mains when it is dark. (But practical storage capacitors are on the way!)

3/ Businesses where wall space for radiators is limited. Just look around your local corner supermarket or convenience store. There is no wall space on which to hang radiators, and anyway, they don't want heat near the chiller cabinet areas. So look overhead where there are invariably 50cm square tiles in a suspended ceiling. One tile in 15 maybe will be an infra-red panel, but it will more-or-less look the same as the tiles, and be controlled by a central thermostat.

There are more infra-red heaters out there than you might imagine.

Thank you, and I trust that I have not broken any of Martin's commercial rules.

M

I may be half your age, and only hold a lowly HND in electronic and electrical engineering, but I know BS when I see it.

A whole post of words and not a single piece of data.

If you come back, I have a few specific questions about your post. But I will wait to see if you come back first. I don't want to waste my time.