Infrared Heating Panels

Cardew

[QUOTE=Themaddog;64255750
WHAT I SPEND MY MONEY ON IS MY CHOICE AND, IF RIGHT OR WRONG I WILL BE PREPARED TO TAKE THAT CHOICE ON THE CHIN!!

don't try to insult my intelligence by taking a chance ..that's how the world works many examples of people taking the chance with a product are very widely documented

Your Right and of course you have your choice, like should i buy this expensive car or that one.....bet you think the best car in the world and the most cost effective is the one you drive!!

look at Skoda the worst car in the world, and you shouldn't touch this with a barge pole bet somewhere on here i can find a post about mister negative saying how bad they are and, its this or that and now the preferred choice of some of the Boys in Blue pursuit Cars....Skoda Octavia RS

Mr Dyson said i have a revolutionary idea its a little bit expensive but in the long run it will save you on the cost of bags ,Mr Hoover said it will never work...too expensive and the owners of hoovers said this will never work too expensive not cost effective Blar Blar Blar.....what is the best most cost effective hoover on the market and how many other companies have followed suit?[/QUOTE]


The post above makes a most important point. The purpose of this forum is Money-Saving and people come here for advice.


Your point about Skoda cars and Dyson vacuum cleaners is not valid IMO in this discussion. It is simply opinion if they are wonderful or rubbish. I think few would dispute that many years ago Skoda had a poor reputation, but since being owned by VAG(and sharing most components with VW) they have a justified excellent reputation.


However it is not opinion, but fact, that any electrical heater produces the same amount of heat, for the same consumption of electricity.


Thus the statement earlier in this thread:

So, yes they do save money, they draw approx. half of the current of the oil filled radiator, and the room is just as warm.

is simply not correct.

fishybusiness

Thus the statement earlier in this thread:


Quote:
So, yes they do save money, they draw approx. half of the current of the oil filled radiator, and the room is just as warm.
is simply not correct.

As an IR panel fan I tend to disagree with much written against IR panels here. I do agree with this. Perhaps it is more accurate to say something like

"My IR panel is cheaper to run than my oil filled radiator, and I feel warm enough".

Cardew

Thus the statement earlier in this thread:

Quote:
So, yes they do save money, they draw approx. half of the current of the oil filled radiator, and the room is just as warm.

is simply not correct.

fishybusiness wrote: »

As an IR panel fan I tend to disagree with much written against IR panels here. I do agree with this. Perhaps it is more accurate to say something like

"My IR panel is cheaper to run than my oil filled radiator, and I feel warm enough".

Let me understand what you are saying. You are now agreeing that the statement you made in post#26 is 'simply not correct'

fishybusiness

Let me understand what you are saying. You are now agreeing that the statement you made in post#26 is 'simply not correct'

Nope.

In post 26 I MEASURED the temperature.

You know, neither you Cardew nor Richie has posted anything useful about IR Panels for a long time. Cardew, add together your blustery tone together with your righteous manner and the way you trash everyone that comes here to talk about IR Panels, really disgusts me.

The money saving angle is fantastic, the warnings to those people that are potentially going to get ripped off is admirable, and the time you take to help people is what the forum is all about.

Your 100 percent efficiency statement comes up again and again, which for the most part alerts posters to potential rip off merchants.

In the case of IR panels, efficiency of 100 percent counts too, of course it does, but.........IR panels heat people and objects directly, which changes the game somewhat. People feel warm without a whole room full of air being maintained at temperature. There are the potential savings.

Cardew, I´m done with replying and responding and talking about IR panels here, your tone and manner are beyond helpful, and spiral in to a tit for tat bit of fun.

You can have your forum back now.

Road_Hog

Cardew wrote: »

I accept that you are from a sales background and not a technical background, but you really shouldn't pronounce on something you do not understand.


Power is defined as the rate at which work is done. So Power = energy/time.

Ten 100 watt panel TVs would produce exactly the same amount of heat as a 1 kW floor heater - if they ran for the same time; e.g. if they ran for 1 hour they would both consume 1kWh and produce the same amount of heat.


You can measure that heat in joules, British thermal unit(BTU) or calories.


Your nice multi-valve radio(those were the days!) would produce exactly the same amount of heat, for the power consumed, as any other heater/electrical appliance - again for the same consumption.


Now 'in the context that people are talking about'(as you put it) it is absolutely the case that any electrical heater* consuming, say 1kWh, will produce EXACTLY the same amount of heat. It doesn't matter if it is a fan heater, a radiator filled with any substance, IR panels, granny's 1/2/3 bar heater etc etc.


So it is absolutely true to state that all forms of electrical heating are 100% efficient.


What people can legitimately argue about is the effectiveness of various forms of heating. It would obviously be more effective to point an IR heater toward someone sitting at a bench in a garage, than heat the whole garage.






* In case people raise the issue of heat pumps, they are not electrical heaters. They are devices for transferring heat from outside a property to inside that property. - and the opposite when reversed into Air conditioning mode.

Sorry, but power consumption does not equate to heat output. Power consumed creates energy, not always heat.


I can assure you, that a room with a 1kW heater, will be warmer than a room with ten flat panel TVs consuming 100W each.

Cardew

Road_Hog wrote: »

Sorry, but power consumption does not equate to heat output. Power consumed creates energy, not always heat.


I can assure you, that a room with a 1kW heater, will be warmer than a room with ten flat panel TVs consuming 100W each.

Without being facetious, if you were to be correct then you have re-written the laws of physics.

Themaddog

Cardew wrote: »

Without being facetious, if you were to be correct then you have re-written the laws of physics.

At this point

you can keep your forum ...your right it is a saving forum


So im going to stop wasting my time posting


Bye!!!

long_pockets

I've been trying to find out more about these infrared radiant heating panels.

The mother-in-law bought one just before Christmas to warm a cold spot in the dinning area in her open plan lounge, she tried halogen but were expensive to run plus the kept on failing.

She also tried fan heating but again this was expensive to run, especially as the patio door is constantly being opened and closed to let the dog out.

What she states is that the area is now warm, when the door opens an closes although there is the initial icy blast of cold air, once the door closes the area very quickly becomes warm.

The heater is only 160w she keeps it on all day from about 8 in the morning until about 8 at night, it's on a stand and angled upward at about 10 degrees the area is about 2mtr x 3mtr and the surface temperature although warm is touchable probably about 70c.

She swears by it.

the gas heating is still on and she still puts the gas fire on occasionally, but she now says she's warm and the gas fire no longer gets put on as often as it used to.

Can anyone offer an explanation as to how little an amount of energy have such a big effect?

long_pockets

I've been trying to find out more about these infrared radiant heating panels.

The mother-in-law bought one just before Christmas to warm a cold spot in the dinning area in her open plan lounge, she tried halogen but were expensive to run plus they kept on failing (she went through 2 in a month then got her money back).

She also tried fan heating but again this was expensive to run, especially as the patio door is constantly being opened and closed to let the dog out.

What she states is that the area is now warm, when the door opens an closes although there is the initial icy blast of cold air, once the door closes the area very quickly becomes warm.

The heater is only 160w she keeps it on all day from about 8 in the morning until about 8 at night, it's on a stand and angled upward at about 10 degrees the area is about 2mtr x 3mtr and the surface temperature although warm is touchable probably about 70c.

She swears by it.

the gas heating is still on and she still puts the gas fire on occasionally, but she now says she's warm and the gas fire no longer gets put on as often as it used to.

The area is also noticeably warmer in the mornings than it ever was before.

Can anyone offer an explanation as to how little an amount of energy can have such a big effect?

stator

long_pockets wrote: »

Can anyone offer an explanation as to how little an amount of energy can have such a big effect?

I haven't read this thread but infrared EMR (electromagnetic radiation) turns into heat when it hits something, like your hand. Therefore holding your hand in front of an infrared heater will always feel warm, regardless of the air temperature. Most electric heaters heat the air and then you feel the temperature from the air on your skin. So if you just want to feel warm then infrared type heaters can be more efficient.