Small Tesco PS3 game vent and question

will.i.amnt

bluenoseam wrote: »

Most of that last paragraph is actually gross misconduct in Game (as it was in Gamestation & HMV) - Gamestation used to have a staff perk where you could take pre-owned goods home, but not brand new. Also selling second hand goods as new would be fraudulent, thus also gross misconduct, not to say it never happens, but the majority of time the process is structured so accidents rarely happen.

"masterbagging" would not be needed were it not, as I have pointed out, for thieving scumbags, it's a necessary evil - I know when I worked for all three afforementioned companies when pre-orders were taken they'd be sealed, but that's just how our shops sailed. (I know my local indie follows the same procedure) But you cannot control if you happen to get a staff member who doesn't know this is the case & masterbags pre-orders too - happens every year around this time, wonderful things christmas temps!

It's not that we're "naysaying" but I do think it's going a bit OTT to complain so much about something that really, doesn't mean anything. I'm as big a gamer as they get, but honestly I couldn't care less so long as the game is brand new & in full working order if it was shrink wrapped - in the course of many years in games retail I've taken enough of that off the cases for it to have lost it's appeal some time ago!

You may say it's gross misconduct, but I know for a FACT it happens in a couple of GAME stores near me. How do I know? Cos I know the chaps that work there.

You know what else they do (under managers instruction) - Inspect any trade-ins for quality and sell them as new if the DLC codes still work (there's a way to test them on 360 without redeeming them, pretty sure the same is true for PS3).

Oh, and if the codes are still in-case, but the game is otherwise grubby? They take them, divvy them up and sell them on ebay. All true. Ever wonder where some ebay sellers get so many codes? Wonder no more.

And what's to stop these stores using "display cases"? They exist, I've seen thousands of them. Retailers of sufficient size should have absolutely no issue negotiating some display dummies from any publisher.

So, don't preach to me some tosh about it all being the same to you. I don't WANT fingerprints on my manuals/discs, I don't even want them on the case. Yes, it's anal, but it's my right when I buy a NEW game.

I'll reiterate for the hard of thinking:

SEALED=NEW OPENED=2ND HAND

StrongWork

will.i.amnt wrote: »

Honeydog,ignore all these loonies taking the mick.

Getting stressed that games aren't shrink wrapped and we're loonies?

Riiiight...

will.i.amnt wrote: »

I'll reiterate for the hard of thinking:

SEALED=NEW OPENED=2ND HAND

:rotfl:

Here's some advice



It'll be good for you. (imvho of course).

bluenoseam

will.i.amnt wrote: »

You may say it's gross misconduct, but I know for a FACT it happens in a couple of GAME stores near me. How do I know? Cos I know the chaps that work there.

You know what else they do (under managers instruction) - Inspect any trade-ins for quality and sell them as new if the DLC codes still work (there's a way to test them on 360 without redeeming them, pretty sure the same is true for PS3).

Oh, and if the codes are still in-case, but the game is otherwise grubby? They take them, divvy them up and sell them on ebay. All true. Ever wonder where some ebay sellers get so many codes? Wonder no more.

And what's to stop these stores using "display cases"? They exist, I've seen thousands of them. Retailers of sufficient size should have absolutely no issue negotiating some display dummies from any publisher.

So, don't preach to me some tosh about it all being the same to you. I don't WANT fingerprints on my manuals/discs, I don't even want them on the case. Yes, it's anal, but it's my right when I buy a NEW game.

I'll reiterate for the hard of thinking:

SEALED=NEW OPENED=2ND HAND

You really are anal, but I will point you to the fact you know this goes on, what have you done about it? I'm not preaching tosh at you, I've worked in games retail 8 years now, so when I see things like "retailers should be able to negotiate" it just makes me giggle. When was the last time you worked with a games supplier or publisher to spend money on providing us with display sleeves? That costs MONEY, all of which will be added onto the cost at source of the game, which will then be passed onto the consumer or absorbed by the retailer - which I'm guessing will annoy you greatly.

All of what you described above IS gross misconduct, but companies can only do something about it if it's reported, but a lot of it also sounds like tinfoil hat stuff as well - because over 3 regular stores in those 8 years I've never once seen anything approaching that. (nor did I see it in any of the stores I was asked to work in on random occasions)

The whole debate sealed is brand new, unsealed & contents removed is second hand is rubbish, but like I said in my very original post, if you want a game that's sealed and never been touched so you get that "OMAIGOD" moment which seems to cockle your shells then may I suggest exclusively going online or directly approaching suppliers.

ThumbRemote

StrongWork wrote: »

Here's some advice



It'll be good for you. (imvho of course).

Says the person who's on the internet, commenting on a subject that clearly holds no interest to them.

will.i.amnt

bluenoseam wrote: »

You really are anal, but I will point you to the fact you know this goes on, what have you done about it? I'm not preaching tosh at you, I've worked in games retail 8 years now, so when I see things like "retailers should be able to negotiate" it just makes me giggle. When was the last time you worked with a games supplier or publisher to spend money on providing us with display sleeves? That costs MONEY, all of which will be added onto the cost at source of the game, which will then be passed onto the consumer or absorbed by the retailer - which I'm guessing will annoy you greatly.

All of what you described above IS gross misconduct, but companies can only do something about it if it's reported, but a lot of it also sounds like tinfoil hat stuff as well - because over 3 regular stores in those 8 years I've never once seen anything approaching that. (nor did I see it in any of the stores I was asked to work in on random occasions)

The whole debate sealed is brand new, unsealed & contents removed is second hand is rubbish, but like I said in my very original post, if you want a game that's sealed and never been touched so you get that "OMAIGOD" moment which seems to cockle your shells then may I suggest exclusively going online or directly approaching suppliers.

Ah, you've not seen it happen so it doesn't...right.
Anyway, giggle away. The fact is that stores that don't get in dummy boxes will lose a small percentage of sales from people like me and the OP who don't like buying second hand.

Oh, and nice attempt to patronise. It's obviously a non-issue for many, and I'd agree that in the grand scheme of things, it's not exactly life changing. It does of course pose the question why people go to the bother of listing items on ebay as "new/sealed" if it doesn't matter. You silly little boy. Anyway, why am I even listening to someone who works in retail? Go and DO something with your life instead of !!!!ing your life away in dead end jobs.

will.i.amnt

StrongWork wrote: »

Getting stressed that games aren't shrink wrapped and we're loonies?

Riiiight...




:rotfl:

Here's some advice



It'll be good for you. (imvho of course).

OMG ALLGAMERS ARE VIRGINS LMFAOROFLCOPTER etc etc etc... yawn.

1998 called, it wants its meme back.

bluenoseam

will.i.amnt wrote: »

Ah, you've not seen it happen so it doesn't...right.
Anyway, giggle away. The fact is that stores that don't get in dummy boxes will lose a small percentage of sales from people like me and the OP who don't like buying second hand.

Oh, and nice attempt to patronise. It's obviously a non-issue for many, and I'd agree that in the grand scheme of things, it's not exactly life changing. It does of course pose the question why people go to the bother of listing items on ebay as "new/sealed" if it doesn't matter. You silly little boy. Anyway, why am I even listening to someone who works in retail? Go and DO something with your life instead of !!!!ing your life away in dead end jobs.

It would be a VERY small proportion as the vast majority of customers (I'd go as far as to say 99.9%) don't walk around with their head up their behind. Also you're somewhat blinded by what is a very simple linguistic device - "new/sealed" can mean one of two things, that it is new AND sealed or new OR sealed. Don't patronise me because I happened to work in retail, without people like me you're likely to have to go online for everything which, oops, wasn't that my suggestion?

As for doing something with my life, yeah, been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

StrongWork

will.i.amnt wrote: »

OMG ALLGAMERS ARE VIRGINS LMFAOROFLCOPTER etc etc etc... yawn.

1998 called, it wants its meme back.

Retro is in this season. :money:

Honeydog

This thread took off a bit!!!!

Tesco are slipping up since I have had no email contact from them at all today.

Another point is that while the unwrapped box is on the shelf it can get scuffed, dropped on the floor, cracked etc and so does not look new. If you want to play and resell then that has to put you at a bit of a disadvantage.

Plus no one has commented on the fact that you can get a refund on a sealed game after Christmas (in the case of a duplicated purchase etc) but if it was bought unsealed then you can't prove you haven't played it so presumably you wouldn't be able to get a refund.

Point is I'm only talking about new games that I want on release day. If I'm paying full price for a game I don't want it delivered two days late by Amazon (Skrim anyone!!) I want it on launch day so I'm going to a shop.

I think I'm going to email Asda and ask what they do with their games.

will.i.amnt

StrongWork wrote: »

Retro is in this season. :money:

So are morons, it would seem :rotfl:

bluenoseam wrote: »

It would be a VERY small proportion as the vast majority of customers (I'd go as far as to say 99.9%) don't walk around with their head up their behind. Also you're somewhat blinded by what is a very simple linguistic device - "new/sealed" can mean one of two things, that it is new AND sealed or new OR sealed. Don't patronise me because I happened to work in retail, without people like me you're likely to have to go online for everything which, oops, wasn't that my suggestion?

As for doing something with my life, yeah, been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

So wanting something new equates to having your head up your behind? Wow. Best start shopping in Oxfam.

As for New/Sealed. Of course, I meant New & Sealed as many listings appear on ebay. A simple linguistic device indeed. So simple, in fact, that it appears to have confused you:
""new/sealed" can mean one of two things, that it is new AND sealed or new OR sealed."
For the first part, I agree that it does indeed mean both new&sealed.
The second part makes no sense. "or new OR sealed". Eh? It can't either or. It needs to be both, otherwise they're falsely advertising. Maybe the oblique put you off?

Anyway, we're digressing. Honeydog makes another valid point about the display case getting mishandled, dropped and pawed by grubby toddlers. None of which equate to new.

Still, you won't ever admit you're wrong (and I'm willing to bet you work for GAME, HMV etc who perform this shoddy practice) and as such cannot see past your paymasters' methods. I wonder how you'd feel if the next time you went to Tesco to buy a bottle of vodka, you had to take an empty bottle to the checkout and they poured it back into the bottle after you'd purchased it. :rotfl:

But that's different, right? Right!?!?!


Honeydog - the answer is shopto.net . Put these masterbaggers out of business!

Some further reading:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/warning-lovefilm-retail-sell-used-games-260040
http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/game-sells-ex-display-stock-as-new-656778?page=2
http://www.bitterwallet.com/selling-used-stock-as-new-is-it-really-fair-game/23867