MSE News: George Osborne to make £10bn welfare cuts

Ellejmorgan

PaulF81 wrote: »

If there is no money to pay for it, it's sad, but tough. Either take money from the NHS, cut the state pension or reduce other benefits. Is as simple as that.

How about cutting tax loopholes big companies exploit..

Cut MP's wages

Stop sending so much cash abroad

Cut immigration

Stop staging silly pointless events that cost a fortune..

Stop creating silly assessments for people who are clearly not well, ask for medical evidence instead of ATOS stupidity, make system fairer and more workable..

robpw2

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

What about those women that are abused in pregnancy, you can be in the most stable relationship and it come out of the blue.
30% of domestic abuse starts in pregnancy..
Some women do not choose to become pregnant, some women have it forced on them or are talked into it.

I was in that situation, I was married 21 years old, hubby on a fantastic wage 28k+ at the time, we owned our own home,
I too worked..

I fell pregnant and within 3 hours of telling my boss I was pregnant I was sacked..
At 27 weeks pregnant hubby beat me so bad I thought my baby as dead, and still I stayed as I had no where to go,
I don't have parents..

I stayed putting up with the abuse until my baby was 10 weeks old and I went into refuge, during this time he got the house repossessed..

We rented a house and I went back to him I fell pregnant, not through my choice, my daughter then died, he turned into a drunk and continued the abuse..
He then lost his job..

By the age of 24 I got away permanantly, and now on benefits.. I stayed as at the time I didn't know better, but I worry that some abuse victims will be forced to stay, forced to stay with abusive parents or partners because they can't claim HB..

sorry did you have children in order to claim benefits, because reading your post thats not what you have said?
my post was very clear that young people need to realise that having children is not a way to get unlimited resources of the government.

Your situation however is very sad one and i would hope that any policy on housing benefit removal for under 25's would take into consideration exceptional cases .

I beleive if you put in you should be able to get out when emergenceys happen but if your not prepared to pay into society why should you reap the rewards.

i appreciate nothing can be 100% safe or stable but at least you had attempted to make it so .

Cerisa

Paul F81 -

You say sad but tough - I'm a bit confused as my point was aimed at people who seek to differentiate between different kinds of benefit.

In terms of your issue, there are plenty of choices beyond penury / economic apocalypse.

The issue isn't that benefits exist. The issue is that businesses refuse to pay a living wage, and landlords charge over the odds for rental property. Housing benefit and tax credits are paid to these businesses, so they can continue to make huge profits from our cheap labour, then again from our rent, then again from us paying inflated costs for essentials like heating and food.

We could also look at parliamentary contracts; for example, with ATOS, we pay this company to cut the amount of people on benefits. They get a bonus each time they get someone off benefits. Each time someone successfully appeals (40% of the time) the taxpayer pays compensation to the person. We then pay to have the same person (who is clearly unfit for work) to be re-assessed by the utterly incompetent ATOS.

Or Workfare. We pay large companies to employ people on long term JSA. So they cut the hours of existing staff. Who then need to claim benefits in order to live. Sometimes they even make existing staff redundant. The unpaid workers who take over these 'jobs' only get their benefits paid. Which we pay, as a taxpayer. So big companies get free staff to replace their paid staff, who then hafta claim benefits, which we pay.

The only problem here is complete lack of corporate responsibility, coupled with a parliament populated by millionaires who have absolutely no grasp of the realities most people face.

PaulF81

I have no issue with ATOS. if you can explain how a labour run area like Liverpool has over 30% of its working age population on disability payments whilst averages for Tory controlled areas is less than 5% then feel free.

Until then, it's pretty obvious fraud Is widespread and those having payments taken off them who should have never received them are going to !!!!! moan and complain. It's human nature.

I personally would cut all benefits to 0 and give everyone universal credit of around 10k a year to cut admin costs to 0. But then lots who receive ridiculous sums in benefit would then complain that hard working millionaires have it too good.

The issue isn't that benefits exist. The issue is that businesses refuse to pay a living wage, and landlords charge over the odds for rental property. Housing benefit and tax credits are paid to these businesses, so they can continue to make huge profits from our cheap labour, then again from our rent, then again from us paying inflated costs for essentials like heating and food.

Tell you what, lets get rid of benefits completely then and increase the minimum wage to 10 quid an hour. Would you agree to this? Thought not.

Ellejmorgan

PaulF81 wrote: »

I have no issue with ATOS. if you can explain how a labour run area like Liverpool has over 30% of its working age population on disability payments whilst averages for Tory controlled areas is less than 5% then feel free.

Until then, it's pretty obvious fraud Is widespread and those having payments taken off them who should have never received them are going to !!!!! moan and complain. It's human nature.

I personally would cut all benefits to 0 and give everyone universal credit of around 10k a year to cut admin costs to 0. But then lots who receive ridiculous sums in benefit would then complain that hard working millionaires have it too good.



Tell you what, lets get rid of benefits completely then and increase the minimum wage to 10 quid an hour. Would you agree to this? Thought not.

How would that work,

Rent = 5k

council tax 1.5 k

= four people to survive on 3.5 k per year

PaulF81

For all you socialists who think that us rich well paid are not contributing enough, have abl00dy good look at this data and check which income group contributes the most.

And it's not the common man.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/income_tax/table2-5.pdf

PaulF81

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

Does that include rent as my rent is 5k PA

Spend less and save for a deposit. Failing that, emigrate. No one owes you a life. I saved form4 years for a house, had no mobile phone and drove a 10 year old banger to work despite earnings in the higher rate of tax. Make sacrifices. In real terms housing is cheaper now than it was in 2002. Mortgage payments are the lowest they have been on record

Cerisa

PaulF81

Once again, you completely ignored most of the things I said.

As a capitalist, you have no issue with a company that gets things wrong 40% of the time? Would you accept that from an employee of yours?

Okay, I can explain it.

Tory run areas are generally populated by people who have inherited wealth and / or work in well paid sedentary jobs that are unlikely to cause or exacerbate disability. They are also likely to receive sick pay if they do become ill. They vote Tory because they haven't experienced significant hardship. They also tend to be in the South, where there are more jobs available.

Whereas Liverpool, for example, is traditionally an industrial city. Fewer jobs are available, particularly after manufacturing was shipped abroad. The jobs around tend to be less secure, and less likely to offer perks like private healthcare or generous leave.

Your 'solution' to the big business problem I posited makes no sense , and fails to address the points I made.

Benefits are a safety net.

It should not be necessary to claim if you are in work.

The fact that it is necessary, and that rent / fuel / transport costs are the highest percentages of people's budgets, points to the fact that companies are overcharging for basic services.

Ellejmorgan

PaulF81 wrote: »

Spend less and save for a deposit. Failing that, emigrate. No one owes you a life.

Work it out, do the maths as I said four people can't live on 3.5k


Emigrate, love to..where to..how would I support myself ??

My rent is quite average 5k equates to £100 pw quite low actually, why do I need a deposit, for what ??


Spend less, where is your evidence that I spend above what I should ??

PaulF81

Cerisa wrote: »

PaulF81

Once again, you completely ignored most of the things I said.

As a capitalist, you have no issue with a company that gets things wrong 40% of the time? Would you accept that from an employee of yours?

Okay, I can explain it.

Tory run areas are generally populated by people who have inherited wealth and / or work in well paid sedentary jobs that are unlikely to cause or exacerbate disability. They are also likely to receive sick pay if they do become ill. They vote Tory because they haven't experienced significant hardship. They also tend to be in the South, where there are more jobs available.

Whereas Liverpool, for example, is traditionally an industrial city. Fewer jobs are available, particularly after manufacturing was shipped abroad. The jobs around tend to be less secure, and less likely to offer perks like private healthcare or generous leave.

Your 'solution' to the big business problem I posited makes no sense , and fails to address the points I made.

Benefits are a safety net.

It should not be necessary to claim if you are in work.

The fact that it is necessary, and that rent / fuel / transport costs are the highest percentages of people's budgets, points to the fact that companies are overcharging for basic services.

Rubbish. I grew up in Liverpool in a !!!! area and saw what was going on. Endemic self pity re informed by the council and an endemic hatred of Maggie thatcher that was taught from birth. As a result of their gripes, they couldn't self analyse and realise the problems were caused from within and not inflicted from outside. Hence why I left as soon as I got a chance and will never ever go back.

There are lots on the scam. My opinion is the assessment is not getting things wrong 40% of the time, instead the over entitled are getting on their high horse as a result of a government making tough decisions and giving individuals who have been culturally brought to be workshy a desire to appeal.

Being depressed is not a reason to receive dla. I should know as a previous sufferer. Work helped me cope, instead others use it as an excuse to get free cash. Shameful and a travesty to those that have the disorder and get on with their lives at the same time.

You might want to look at the colour of the government that saw the largest running down of our industrial and export base since the industrial revolution.

I will give you a clue. it wasn't a BluE government.