MSE News: George Osborne to make £10bn welfare cuts

Ellejmorgan

topaziem wrote: »

Turn it round the other way. How much do you spend on holidays, running a car, hobbies, entertaining, mobile phones, alcohol, smoke, Sky and a myriad of other wasteful things?

The OAP's that play bingo and spend maybe £30 a week only have that as the equivalent of what I have mentioned above.
Do you object to them having that one simple pleasure in life.

How do I know - my father who lives alone goes out once a week to bingo at the Welfare Hall and spends £8.50 on bingo tickets and gets a free cup of tea and two biscuits! Oh what a fantastic lifestyle he has after 46 years working for the same employer and a further 5 years fighting in the 2nd World War! Oh sorry yes, and he polishes his eight medals that were awarded to him for his service to this country and you in the first week of November every year and attends a church service nearest to the 11th November to remember his many friends that never came home with him.

i'm on benefits, not everyone wastes their money..

1. My mobile is free for 2 years, I get 250 mins pm, infact i'm £30 better off for the deal..

2. I have sky broadband, that's for the kids, tv is freeview and cost nothing

3. Don't smoke

4. Don't drink

5. Haven't had holiday in years

6. Car isn't wasteful is essential due to disability.

7. Don't spend money on entertaining..



Not everyone wastes money cos they claim..

Cerisa

poppasmurf_bewdley

"It's a joke to expect the taxpayer to fund the lifestyle of under 25's just because they don't (can't) get on with their parents."

Yeah, or because the parents don't want them there. Or suffer from physical / mental health problems. Or the teen was experiencing abuse, which was serious, but not quite serious enough for the social to step in. Or the parents live in a bungalow. Or are desperately poor themselves.

Slowhand

Single allowance £50 + £1 for each dependant/week up to a max of 3.

Cerisa

Mara 69 - the reason 'everyone' has a horror story about ATOS is because horror stories are so frequent.

32 people a WEEK die after being found fit for work.

A woman with autism, heart problems and the mind of a ten year old was found fit for work. Despite ATOS apologising, she will be assessed again in 2 years time, at a cost to the taxpayer.

What is the point of re-assessing this woman? Her condition will not improve. I'd much rather fund her comfort and the help her working mother needs than pay ATOS to poke and prod at a woman who has serious issues that sadly, aren't likely to get better.

Cerisa

Also one of my real frustrations are people who say, "Scroungers, leeching off the state, blah blah blah, all I do is claim child benefit / tax credits, it enables me to put money aside for a mortgage."

Great. I can't afford to put any money aside. I can't afford children, so I'm not having them.

Equally, i'm not calling people who need to claim benefits scumbags.

Child benefit is a benefit. Not one I want to get rid of, but it's exactly the same as any other benefit.

It's there because children come with extra costs. As does being disabled etc.

The proportion of lifelong benefit claimants are tiny, but my, aren't they a handy scapegoat - especially when you're worried someone might turn to you, and say hey - aren't you claiming for your kids?

Ellejmorgan

robpw2 wrote: »

people need to get into the mindset that when you have a stable job , a suitable house and savings in the bank that is the time to have children.

Children should not be used as a way to get benefits and there are many young people who still believe it is

What about those women that are abused in pregnancy, you can be in the most stable relationship and it come out of the blue.
30% of domestic abuse starts in pregnancy..
Some women do not choose to become pregnant, some women have it forced on them or are talked into it.

I was in that situation, I was married 21 years old, hubby on a fantastic wage 28k+ at the time, we owned our own home,
I too worked..

I fell pregnant and within 3 hours of telling my boss I was pregnant I was sacked..
At 27 weeks pregnant hubby beat me so bad I thought my baby as dead, and still I stayed as I had no where to go,
I don't have parents..

I stayed putting up with the abuse until my baby was 10 weeks old and I went into refuge, during this time he got the house repossessed..

We rented a house and I went back to him I fell pregnant, not through my choice, my daughter then died, he turned into a drunk and continued the abuse..
He then lost his job..

By the age of 24 I got away permanantly, and now on benefits.. I stayed as at the time I didn't know better, but I worry that some abuse victims will be forced to stay, forced to stay with abusive parents or partners because they can't claim HB..

Ellejmorgan

Cerisa wrote: »

Mara 69 - the reason 'everyone' has a horror story about ATOS is because horror stories are so frequent.

32 people a WEEK die after being found fit for work.

A woman with autism, heart problems and the mind of a ten year old was found fit for work. Despite ATOS apologising, she will be assessed again in 2 years time, at a cost to the taxpayer.

What is the point of re-assessing this woman? Her condition will not improve. I'd much rather fund her comfort and the help her working mother needs than pay ATOS to poke and prod at a woman who has serious issues that sadly, aren't likely to get better.

Yet if she couldn't put her arms in her top pocket or a hat on her head she would have been placed in the support group and deemed not fit

Cerisa

Yeah but if you can press a button, you get deemed fit.

PaulF81

topaziem wrote: »

Typical of all his comments so far - definitely from a sick mind!

If I was you I would ignore him he is clearly a troll and should be got rid of by falling into the water under his bridge!!

No, i am deadly serious. If we don't sort out this nations finances and the bond markets refuse to buy uk sovereign debt, the markets will force this upon us.

Look what is happening in Greece. The cradle of civilisAtion could see the end of democracy due to nothing else other than a sense of over entitlement. You might want to ask why I am a higher rate taxpayer and why you are defending benefits. The simple fact is, we can grip the nations finances or the markets will force it upon the next generations 10 years down the line.

Better to do it on our terms And cut loose those that have absolutely nothing to offer this country than see those of us who produce much be forced out. Lets not kill the goose that lays the golden egg to protect the lazy, drug addled or useless.

PaulF81

Cerisa wrote: »

Also one of my real frustrations are people who say, "Scroungers, leeching off the state, blah blah blah, all I do is claim child benefit / tax credits, it enables me to put money aside for a mortgage."

Great. I can't afford to put any money aside. I can't afford children, so I'm not having them.

Equally, i'm not calling people who need to claim benefits scumbags.

Child benefit is a benefit. Not one I want to get rid of, but it's exactly the same as any other benefit.

It's there because children come with extra costs. As does being disabled etc.

The proportion of lifelong benefit claimants are tiny, but my, aren't they a handy scapegoat - especially when you're worried someone might turn to you, and say hey - aren't you claiming for your kids?

If there is no money to pay for it, it's sad, but tough. Either take money from the NHS, cut the state pension or reduce other benefits. Is as simple as that.