UK Parking Patrol & Debt Recovery Plus Ltd

luhun

ManxRed wrote: »

Oh, sorry, I missed the company car bit.

You need to get them to write to you and not the company. You've given DR+ your name and address, and hopefully that will be OK, but I would also look to contact your Fleet Manager and try to educate him/her about these tickets.

There is a Fleet News article somewhere (can someone post a link please??) and BVRLA (Lease Car Trade Body) guidance on not paying these tickets. Also, someone with a bit of nouse about law at your company ought to be able to confirm that the action by the parking company in respect of trespass by the driver, cannot possibly include the driver's company as a party.

I spoke to my company this morning and they're ok so long as none of their assets are at risk. obviously they don't want to be liable for the fine either. I've told them that I've given over my details as the driver and said I'm happy for them to confirm the details with the debt recovery people. I just want to know it's me that's potentially liable really...

trisontana

For a start it's not a "fine" (I hope you didn't use that word when you spoke to them) and no way are their assets "at risk".

ManxRed

Their assets are only at risk should the person who owns the freehold of the car park (NOT the parking company) take you to court for trespass, you lose, and then you refuse to pay up. The same odds as you winning Euromillions next week.

Even then, they could only pursue you, not your company. Your company haven't trespassed against the owner of the car park.



You haven't either, but you already know that!

standish9797

I received two parking tickets in one night outside my house, one was at 11 at night and the other at 3am in july 2011. I am now receiving letters from debt recovery plus for £300 more than a year since the first letter. The ticket is claimed against a company van of which was insured and driven/dropped off at my house by 20+ people. There was no ticket left on my windscreen therefore i am not sure who had parked the van there, my company sent my details as it was outside my address.
There isn't any road markings to indicate the boundaries of the no parking zones, just 4 plastic signs cable tied to the drain pipes. The reason that the landowner doesn't want people to park there is purely cosmetic as they don't want it to look like there isn't enough parking when people are looking to buy the new build houses for sale on my estate.
In the area that the signs are erected lots of people had parked there everyday for the 2 years that i have lived here, then one day the company decided to start issuing tickets with no warning.
with the new laws that have been in the news today is there now chance that they could take me to court and if I lost would I then get a CCJ against my name??
Should i carry on ignoring the letters or pay up??
Any help would be much appreciated.

ManxRed

The Freedoms Bill isn't retrospective.

They cannot go back to an old ticket and now claim the RK is liable.

Even if they could, the amount they are seeking is an unenforceable penalty anyway.

Coupon-mad

I do wish people would stop panicking about the POFA which we have debated on here for many months. It makes no difference, it only take a quick search to find threads talking about the new changes and pointing out that NOTHING HAS CHANGED except the registered keeper and owner can ignore the scam together now (or appeal and cost the PPC £32 which is great!). Then carry on ignoring..

A scam has not suddenly become enforceable!

And of course laws cannot be retrospective!

RENEGADE_2

luhun wrote: »

I spoke to my company this morning and they're ok so long as none of their assets are at risk. obviously they don't want to be liable for the fine either. I've told them that I've given over my details as the driver and said I'm happy for them to confirm the details with the debt recovery people. I just want to know it's me that's potentially liable really...

This is not a unique case, we have encountered your situation many times here. You did the right thing by getting your employer off your back - they worry despite there being nothing to worry about and I have known it where they've stopped people's wages and forwarded it to the PPC. Courageous move if I were driver, I've had them down the road so fast their feet won't touch the ground. Industrial tribunal.

So that cow told you that you had no grounds for appeal. She's right, I mean, how can you "appeal" a demand that is unsanctioned, and can never be registered. A bloke tells you that you owe him £100 - so do you appeal? Or do you tell him to Get Lost and take it to court if he believes he is right? Naturally you'd do the latter. It is the same principle with private car parks. They're not the council, they have no power, and you definitely do NOT EVER "appeal" to them because you do not accede to their authority.

Legally they can seek losses only. What they seek from you goes well beyond losses and amounts to a penalty which is forbidden when issued by one citizen to another. Your situation has forced you to communicate with them which was necessary. If it weren't for your employer, you could have ignored them outright. Now you've got this far, ring them one more time and tell them if they want a penny out of you, they can try the County Court. Don't be frightened that they will, but look forward to it because you will win hands down. Trouble is, they know this, that's why they are too chicken to try it.

DON'T FALL VICTIM TO THIS CERTIFIED SCAM.

walter1970

I have received this notice of intended litigation this morning. Since I am running out of toilet papers, I know exactly what to do with it, now that the paper aeroplane is becoming all too common. Here's three paramount steps you can do :

1) IGNORE!
2) IGNORE!
3) IGNORE!

Oh I know this will never happen, but I am actually looking forward going to court. Never been to one in my whole existence. Be a nice experience.

BASFORDLAD

walter1970 wrote: »

I have received this notice of intended litigation this morning. Since I am running out of toilet papers, I know exactly what to do with it, now that the paper aeroplane is becoming all too common. Here's three paramount steps you can do :

1) IGNORE!
2) IGNORE!
3) IGNORE!

Oh I know this will never happen, but I am actually looking forward going to court. Never been to one in my whole existence. Be a nice experience.

It's normally pretty dull!

But when you have graduates from Solihull law school it can be fun or even Perry mason from ukcps

MAJ2011

Hi, new to these forums and need some advice.

I got a parking ticket at Riverside retail Park, Northampton (free car-park) for parking outside of the white lines. Admittedly I was over the lines but it was due to having a baby in the car and all the parent and child spaces (of which there are only about 2 in the whole place) were occupied. By no means was the carpark full as it was a Thursday afternoon. I went onto their website as soon as I got home and appealed, I received an email to say I would get a written response in 10 working days, this was 5th July 2012. I have never received any further paperwork until on 14th September I received a letter from Debt Recovery Plus Ltd to say my charge has been passed to them and I now owe £150 within 7 days.
I called them straight away and said that I have never had a response from UKPC so I will not be paying their charges. He said he would speak to UKPC and get back to me. I also informed them that I did not have a job, was on maternity leave and did not have the money to pay.
On 21st September he called back and said that UKPC said they sent out a letter to me on 8th August to say that my appeal had been rejected and I had to pay the £60. I informed DRP that I had never received any correspondence from UKPC. I even emailed him the automatic confirmation email you get from UKPC to say they will aim to respond in 10 working days as 8th August is over a month later. DRP said he would speak to UKPC again and respond to me.

Yesterday (2nd October) I received a call from DRP to say he had been in touch with UKPC and they are still saying they sent out a letter so therefore I have to pay DRP. I was raging so told them that I would contact UKPC directly and take things from there, DRP informed me my account is on hold until 12th October.

I really need some advice as to what to do now, I have not contacted UKPC yet as I was to go in armed and ready to put up a concrete wall for them to climb. I really would like your advice guys.
Thank you