Memory foam/pocket sprung mattress (merged threads)

kwaichi

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Obviously they must be suitable for some people, otherwise they wouldn't sell. Their main selling point is that they are similar in construction to Tempur, yet Tempur came out bottom in the which magazine report. Also they are probably good for people who like to be hot in bed.

The fact is that it is recognised that the optimum density should be between 60 and 70kg per m3, and the depth of the memory foam should be 2" to 2.5".

I certainly don't like to be hot in bed lol! I can honestly say that it is not the same as a tempur mattress just like a pocket sprung mattress made by silentnight does not feel like a sleepeeze. Where is it recognised that foam has to be a certain density? I'd like to see the study. I for one sleep better than I have ever done. I wake up free of aches and pains and that can only be a good thing right?

Tim_Deegan

concorde_for_ever wrote: »

Hi Tim

Just wanted to let you know I have had my Sleepmaster mattress inspected and it has been agreed that it is faulty!!!! Yiphee. They are trying to get me to have another mattress from them, but only wish to make that mistake once.

Going to be looking for a nice new mattress now to fit my 6ft bedstead - NO MEMORY FOAM THO, can you recommend the type of mattress I need, that provides constant support and lasts more than 1 year?

thanks

Is it a slatted base, and if so how far apart are the slats?

Tim_Deegan

LAdamson wrote: »

Hi Tim,



Where can I find out more about this? What is your source?

Thnx
Lorraine

There are various sources to find this information, although you have to be careful, because there are quite a few sites out there that try to give the impression that they are giving independent advice, but are actually owned by manufacturers.

Tim_Deegan

kwaichi wrote: »

I certainly don't like to be hot in bed lol! I can honestly say that it is not the same as a tempur mattress just like a pocket sprung mattress made by silentnight does not feel like a sleepeeze. Where is it recognised that foam has to be a certain density? I'd like to see the study. I for one sleep better than I have ever done. I wake up free of aches and pains and that can only be a good thing right?

Yes that is a good thing, and you obviously like your mattress. After all we are all different.

If you read through this thread the reasons for optimum density and depth are explained in detail.

The Ergoflex mattresses are actually designed to be like Tempur, and they more or less say this in their advertising.

kwaichi

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Yes that is a good thing, and you obviously like your mattress. After all we are all different.

If you read through this thread the reasons for optimum density and depth are explained in detail.

The Ergoflex mattresses are actually designed to be like Tempur, and they more or less say this in their advertising.

It's like Tempur in so much that it is a memory foam mattress and it is a recognisable brand. I have read through the entire thread and I would like say the optimum density is down to the user and not down to specification. It's like saying only soft mattresses are good for you. Like you just said, we are all different

You seem to give the impression that a deep amount of memory foam equates to being guzzled up by the stuff which is simply not the case. My other half weighs 50kg and offers the same amount of support as myself (93kg).

Don't forget it comes with a 10 year guarantee and is easily delivered (as it rolls up vacuum packed). They have a sale on until the 16th April too which makes them about 1/4 price of Tempur.

Tim_Deegan

kwaichi wrote: »

It's like Tempur in so much that it is a memory foam mattress and it is a recognisable brand. I have read through the entire thread and I would like say the optimum density is down to the user and not down to specification. It's like saying only soft mattresses are good for you. Like you just said, we are all different

You seem to give the impression that a deep amount of memory foam equates to being guzzled up by the stuff which is simply not the case. My other half weighs 50kg and offers the same amount of support as myself (93kg).

Don't forget it comes with a 10 year guarantee and is easily delivered (as it rolls up vacuum packed). They have a sale on until the 16th April too which makes them about 1/4 price of Tempur.

All the way through the Ergoflex web site they compare it to Tempur.

85kg memory foam will give good support, but the down side to having a density that is too high is the slow recovery rate. This can make it difficult to change position (especially when combined with a memory foam layer which is too deep).

Yes I know we are all different, but the optimums are what will be suitable for the majority of people. Many of the complaints that I hear about Tempur mattresses are to do with sinking in too deep, making it difficult to change position, and also becoming too hot. The overheating is also caused by the fact that air can't circulate under the memory foam to dissipate the heat because the memory foam is insulated by the reflex foam under it.

Only 2" of memory foam is needed to mould to your body, and this is the sole pupose of the memory foam. So any extra depth is simply used as a sales gimmick, so that sales reps can tell people 'the more memory foam the better', and then con people to paying a higher price for something they don't need. There is no extra benefit to having a deeper layer of memory foam.

They don't give a 10 year guarantee, it is a warranty:
The Ergo Flex 10-year Warranty
Every Ergo Flex Memory Foam Mattress comes with a 10-year manufacturers warranty*, which covers any material or workmanship defect arising in that period. We will repair or replace any Ergo Flex Memory Foam Mattress found to be defective at our discretion.


Warranties are not the same as guarantees where they would simply replace a faulty item. Only the first 12 months is usually a full guarantee, then after that it is usually done on a sliding scale, so that if you have had the mattress for 9 years you would most likely have to pay 90% of the cost of replacement. You will also notice that it says 'found to be defective at our discretion'. I spoke to someone recently who had complained about their Ergofelx mattress sagging after 4 years, only to be told that it was normal for this to happen with a memory foam mattress (which is complete rubbish).

Even their sale prices are still to high for reflex/memory foam mattresses.

As for being delivered vacuum packed and rolled up, it is usually only low quality mattresses that come this way.

kwaichi

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

All the way through the Ergoflex web site they compare it to Tempur.

85kg memory foam will give good support, but the down side to having a density that is too high is the slow recovery rate. This can make it difficult to change position (especially when combined with a memory foam layer which is too deep).

Yes I know we are all different, but the optimums are what will be suitable for the majority of people. Many of the complaints that I hear about Tempur mattresses are to do with sinking in too deep, making it difficult to change position, and also becoming too hot. The overheating is also caused by the fact that air can't circulate under the memory foam to dissipate the heat because the memory foam is insulated by the reflex foam under it.

Only 2" of memory foam is needed to mould to your body, and this is the sole pupose of the memory foam. So any extra depth is simply used as a sales gimmick, so that sales reps can tell people 'the more memory foam the better', and then con people to paying a higher price for something they don't need. There is no extra benefit to having a deeper layer of memory foam.

They don't give a 10 year guarantee, it is a warranty:
The Ergo Flex 10-year Warranty
Every Ergo Flex Memory Foam Mattress comes with a 10-year manufacturers warranty*, which covers any material or workmanship defect arising in that period. We will repair or replace any Ergo Flex Memory Foam Mattress found to be defective at our discretion.


Warranties are not the same as guarantees where they would simply replace a faulty item. Only the first 12 months is usually a full guarantee, then after that it is usually done on a sliding scale, so that if you have had the mattress for 9 years you would most likely have to pay 90% of the cost of replacement. You will also notice that it says 'found to be defective at our discretion'. I spoke to someone recently who had complained about their Ergofelx mattress sagging after 4 years, only to be told that it was normal for this to happen with a memory foam mattress (which is complete rubbish).

Even their sale prices are still to high for reflex/memory foam mattresses.

As for being delivered vacuum packed and rolled up, it is usually only low quality mattresses that come this way.

I can assure you that I have no issues with changing position or having sex on the mattress I think it is pretty much impossible to sink too deep in the mattress to get too hot. It recovers very quickly too and I have video evidence online to prove it. The airflow system on the Ergoflex mattress is different to Tempur's offering- the mention of tempur on their website is probably more to do with SEO marketing as they are quite a young company.

I have slept on a lot of different types of mattresses and tried a lot in store but my pick over all of these is the ergoflex through it's superior comfort.

I think you are seriously speculating on the warranty terms and your use of the english language.

'From AskOxford.com

warranty

• noun: (pl. warranties) 1 a written guarantee promising to repair or replace an article if necessary within a specified period.

guarantee

• noun: 1 a formal assurance that certain conditions will be fulfilled, especially that a product will be of a specified quality. '

At the end of the day you may say that it's expensive for what it is but I think it's value for money. Feel free to send me one of your mattresses to review and I will give a fair and impartial assessment. I get about 1.2k views per day so your marketing potential is there if you really believe in your product.

I spent about £80 on my Tempur queen size pillow which is expensive for a pillow but far superior to any other pillow that I have ever used (over 20 in the last 5 years). I would still call this value for money as it offers me support to my neck and head which you can't get from a mattress alone (or no one would use a pillow). Actually I think the pillow is well underrated in the purchase of a new bed - it seems like an afterthought and hardly any research is ever done prior to the purchase.

Tim_Deegan

LAdamson wrote: »

Hi Tim,

I've just called Ergoflex and they told me that their warranty wasn't on a sliding scale - it is a full warranty for the full 10 year period. I've checked Tempurs warranty and that does deplete by a percentage each year...


Most importantly however, you said " I spoke to someone recently who had complained about their Ergofelx mattress sagging after 4 years, only to be told that it was normal for this to happen with a memory foam mattress".


The girl I've just spoke to at ergo flex said this was utter nonsense, for 2 reasons - they have never had any complaint, never mind had to replace any mattress for 'sagging' and, this is IMPOSSIBLE as they have only been selling in the UK for 2 years... she then put me on to her manager who asked me where I'd read about this.


I'm a bit disappointed to be honest, as I feel like you've just been caught out for telling a big fib.



My question yesterday was about your statement:


The fact is that it is recognised that the optimum density should be between 60 and 70kg per m3, and the depth of the memory foam should be 2" to 2.5".



You didn't actually answer the question directly, and from reading back through this and other threads it appears that it isn't actually a 'recognised fact' as you stated - it is actually your opinion.

I know you obviously have experience in the bed industry as you own a company selling beds, but It's not really fair play to introduce your opinion as 'fact' when really it's not, is it? Just saying 'in my opinion' would have been good enough for me, and more credible on your part.

I may have been mistaken about the length of time that the woman I spoke to said that she had owned the Ergoflex mattress, as I do get many people telling me about problems with their existing mattresses. However it was an Ergoflex because I can remember she went to check the label. So if it sagged after only 2 years then that is even worse isn't it? As for them saying that they have never had a complaint, that is complete rubbish, because I have heard of more than one.

The density and depth is not just my personal opinion, they are widely recognised figures in the bed industry.

You are starting to sound like a salesman, so why don't you come clean?

kwaichi

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

I may have been mistaken about the length of time that the woman I spoke to said that she had owned the Ergoflex mattress, as I do get many people telling me about problems with their existing mattresses. However it was an Ergoflex because I can remember she went to check the label. So if it sagged after only 2 years then that is even worse isn't it? As for them saying that they have never had a complaint, that is complete rubbish, because I have heard of more than one.

The density and depth is not just my personal opinion, they are widely recognised figures in the bed industry.

You are starting to sound like a salesman, so why don't you come clean?

The same could be said to you Tim lol

Tim_Deegan

kwaichi wrote: »

I can assure you that I have no issues with changing position or having sex on the mattress I think it is pretty much impossible to sink too deep in the mattress to get too hot. It recovers very quickly too and I have video evidence online to prove it. The airflow system on the Ergoflex mattress is different to Tempur's offering- the mention of tempur on their website is probably more to do with SEO marketing as they are quite a young company.

I have slept on a lot of different types of mattresses and tried a lot in store but my pick over all of these is the ergoflex through it's superior comfort.

I think you are seriously speculating on the warranty terms and your use of the english language.

'From AskOxford.com

warranty

• noun: (pl. warranties) 1 a written guarantee promising to repair or replace an article if necessary within a specified period.

guarantee

• noun: 1 a formal assurance that certain conditions will be fulfilled, especially that a product will be of a specified quality. '

At the end of the day you may say that it's expensive for what it is but I think it's value for money. Feel free to send me one of your mattresses to review and I will give a fair and impartial assessment. I get about 1.2k views per day so your marketing potential is there if you really believe in your product.

I spent about £80 on my Tempur queen size pillow which is expensive for a pillow but far superior to any other pillow that I have ever used (over 20 in the last 5 years). I would still call this value for money as it offers me support to my neck and head which you can't get from a mattress alone (or no one would use a pillow). Actually I think the pillow is well underrated in the purchase of a new bed - it seems like an afterthought and hardly any research is ever done prior to the purchase.

As I keep saying, your mattress is obviously right for YOU, but like LAdamson it sounds like you are trying to sell the mattress.

As LAdamson said, he has checked their conditions of the warranty, and theirs isn't on a sliding scale. I only said normally. However it does day at their discretion, which seems to be a very open get out clause.

Why would I send you anything to review? I'm on here to give people honest and impartial advice, rather than the sales hype and gimmicks that they normally receive from people trying to sell them products.