Serious Thread: iPhone 5

Rev

mrochester wrote: »

The iPhone is excellent value for money. In comparison to other £500 phones it's just so much better for the money. But like I said, that's precisely why I buy the iPhone and not something else.

How so?

Can you give some examples on what makes the iPhone better value for cash than a S3 or a One X? Your opinion is that it's better but it 'just is' isn't a reason.

As far as specs go, the iPhone is under powered compared to the rest, restrictive compared to the rest and vastly more expensive if you want more space than 16gb (no option to use a Micro SD card). So I see no reason why it's so much better value for cash.

I have an iPhone btw, I love it, I just don't wear rose coloured glasses when it comes to all apple products.

Rev

Mickyk wrote: »

I am not going to presume to force another handset on to people, although in regards to the apps, you can transfer any previously purchased apps on itunes to Android with a little know how. And given Samsung's Android handsets have been deemed to be so similar they had to pay a fine, I can imagine it being more of what people already have.

But again, I am not pushing any particular handset, I was just wondering what would make someone go from an iPhone4/s to the latest model, given the marginal changes.

Any chance you can tell us how to go about that?

In all honestly one of the things keeping me with apple over android is the amount of cash I've spent on apps that I'd have to buy again. That and you just can't beat the fact you can walk in to an apple store with a broken phone and walk out with a new one.

diamonds

NFH wrote: »

I agree. It is absurd that Apple lets your network lock the feature unless you pay an additional subscription. Other phones do not impose this restriction which is anti-competitive and unfair on the consumer who owns the goods.

Although I have an 800MB data allowance and pay a subscription, Orange won't enable this feature and let me use it for tethering. However, I was in the Czech Republic recently where I got a local O2 prepaid SIM card, and when the internet briefly went down in my hotel, I was delighted to find that O2 Czech enables it for everyone (as do Three in the UK). Therefore I could connect my laptop via my iPhone in the Czech Republic but I can't do so in the UK where I'm a contract customer. Ridiculous.

Indeed, one major reason iOS is not for me...my laptop & WP love each other as no third parties (OS or network) get in the way.

I have even on the train had other with i-phones need to look at a email in full screen, but guess who has to tether thier phone & laptop AND allow use of their data for them users...ME !

Even Telstra prepaid in AU allowed it, returned to UK & in Heathrow (delayed volcanic ash) on calling Orange to find why I had no tethering option on my contract sim they wanted £10 for a GB :rotfl:at least they could offer £5 unlimited texts i-phone exclusive bundle to my Racoon unlimited landlines plan which then gave me FREE i-phone wifi access which was good as I needed more than 100 texts returning to UK.

I never used free wifi anyway as I had Qantas lounge access for the 9 hours I was stuck in Heathrow after my 24 hour flight.

Those unlimited texts came in handy that day though so glad I called them thinking my 3GS needed a staff actioned code on my account added like Telstra for free to enable tethering or I'd have spent more than £5 on texts that day alone.

Telstra prepaid customers did not even have to pay for a i-phone unlock if it was purchased from them or Apple, the way UK networks cripple a i-phone is just wrong & thank Apple they can do that.

£10 a GB ontop of my existing data bundle !? NO CHANCE ! The same plan data bundle works great on a WP or tethering £10 a month saving there !!

EDIT:
Forgot to add, Telstra unlocked i-phones on the spot when you called ALL i-phone trained staff were trained how to do such, not pass the buck to another team. i-phone service at Telstra even on prepaid wipes the A$$ of any UK network contract or payg, as did the 800mhz not 2100mhz network UK i-phones use.

Frankly if I was in AU I might still be a i-phone user.

MillicentBystander

mrochester wrote: »

The iPhone is excellent value for money. In comparison to other £500 phones it's just so much better for the money. But like I said, that's precisely why I buy the iPhone and not something else.

Hardly a fact-based post, is it? Here's a link for you, care to go through it and point out where the iPhone is 'so much better for the money' than the other similarly priced phone? Don't forget to add £60 to the iPhone price to match the extra 12 months warranty on the Samsung.

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4910&idPhone2=4238

mrochester

NFH wrote: »

I agree. It is absurd that Apple lets your network lock the feature unless you pay an additional subscription. Other phones do not impose this restriction which is anti-competitive and unfair on the consumer who owns the goods.

Although I have an 800MB data allowance and pay a subscription, Orange won't enable this feature and let me use it for tethering. However, I was in the Czech Republic recently where I got a local O2 prepaid SIM card, and when the internet briefly went down in my hotel, I was delighted to find that O2 Czech enables it for everyone (as do Three in the UK). Therefore I could connect my laptop via my iPhone in the Czech Republic but I can't do so in the UK where I'm a contract customer. Ridiculous.

If you're using tethering on a plan where you aren't entitled to you're actually breaking the rules you agreed to follow, regardless of whether the phone you're using lets you do so or not. The issue is the mobile networks not allowing you to tether by default.

Can you give some examples on what makes the iPhone better value for cash than a S3 or a One X? Your opinion is that it's better but it 'just is' isn't a reason.

iOS.

As far as specs go, the iPhone is under powered compared to the rest, restrictive compared to the rest and vastly more expensive if you want more space than 16gb (no option to use a Micro SD card). So I see no reason why it's so much better value for cash.

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I have an iPhone btw, I love it, I just don't wear rose coloured glasses when it comes to all apple products.

Nor do I. And I don't even own an iPhone right now!

Rev

mrochester wrote: »

If you're using tethering on a plan where you aren't entitled to you're actually breaking the rules you agreed to follow, regardless of whether the phone you're using lets you do so or not. The issue is the mobile networks not allowing you to tether by default.




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Nor do I. And I don't even own an iPhone right now!

That doesn't make it worth £530. That means your preference is iOS. And it can run any OS it likes, it will still be lacking spec wise compare to the competition. So saying iOS after a specs question it just IMO stupid.

So a restrictive OS with no personalisation options and glaring holes when it comes to the basics (no Bluetooth file transfer) makes it worth £530.

There's plenty of reasons that make the iPhone a great phone, but let's face it. In the face of such competition these days. It's nothing outstanding.

What makes the iPhone worth my cash IMO is the whole package. I jailbreak because I couldn't handle the restrictiveness of it otherwise, so I can personalise everything, I now have proper functional Bluetooth. My phone breaks I go a genius bar and swap it, I don't send it off and wait weeks. My phone is missing a function, I download an app for it. I don't wait until its on the android market. I have millions of apps available anytime. Which means my phone will always suit my needs.

But based soley on the fact it's running iOS doesn't make it worth £530.

mrochester

That doesn't make it worth £530. That means your preference is iOS. And it can run any OS it likes, it will still be lacking spec wise compare to the competition. So saying iOS after a specs question it just IMO stupid.

Your first sentence contradicts the second! The very fact that my preference is iOS means the £530 is very good value for money. I could spend £249 on an iPod Touch but that'd be very poor value for money because it isn't a phone. Likewise, I could spend anywhere from £50-£500 on an Android phone, but that'd also be poor value for money because it's not iOS.

So a restrictive OS with no personalisation options and glaring holes when it comes to the basics (no Bluetooth file transfer) makes it worth £530.

The smoothness, responsiveness, unobtrusiveness, simplicity, speed, and pleasure of using iOS makes it more £530 IMO. Add to that the vast and high quality ecosystem, Apple's typical very high build quality and materials, and their legendary customer service and support and you have a package that's really good value for money.

But based soley on the fact it's running iOS doesn't make it worth £530.

Of course there are, as above, but iOS is by far the main one.

Rev

mrochester wrote: »

Your first sentence contradicts the second! The very fact that my preference is iOS means the £530 is very good value for money. I could spend £249 on an iPod Touch but that'd be very poor value for money because it isn't a phone. Likewise, I could spend anywhere from £50-£500 on an Android phone, but that'd also be poor value for money because it's not iOS.

The smoothness, responsiveness, unobtrusiveness, simplicity, speed, and pleasure of using iOS makes it more £530 IMO. Add to that the vast and high quality ecosystem, Apple's typical very high build quality and materials, and their legendary customer service and support and you have a package that's really good value for money.

Of course there are, as above, but iOS is by far the main one.

Agree to disagree. You seem to think its worth £530 soley because it ha iOS and is therefor better than anything else just because of that.

Like I said. Apple coloured glasses.

mrochester

Rev wrote: »

Agree to disagree. You seem to think its worth £530 soley because it ha iOS and is therefor better than anything else just because of that.

Like I said. Apple coloured glasses.

Well if you can show me another phone with the same spec and OS as the iPhone 5, but for less, I'd happily agree with you... But until then, £530 is very good value since you can't get anything comparable elsewhere.

DUTR

mrochester wrote: »

Well if you can show me another phone with the same spec and OS as the iPhone 5, but for less, I'd happily agree with you... But until then, £530 is very good value since you can't get anything comparable elsewhere.

In post #20 you quite rightly included " But like I said, that's precisely why I buy the iPhone and not something else."
So I'm not sure why you are then trying to justify how and where you should spend money that you earned, or even for others to have view on how and where you should spend your money.
It's obvious there cannot be another product with the same OS.