delicate subject - abortion

poet123

heartbreak_star wrote: »

I think too many people don't differentiate between a baby and a zygote. An unviable cell mass is not a baby any way you look at it.

Incidentally, Care Confidential are scaremongerers, and I told them as much - one of their more religious advisors offered me "spiritual help to make the right decision"...which was not abortion. Marie Stopes and Brook - so much better.

HBS x

With respect that is your opinion, other people think differently and their opinion is just as valid.

heartbreak_star

I merely quote the scientific fact. I stick by proven science.

HBS x

Errata

heartbreak_star wrote: »

I think too many people don't differentiate between a baby and a zygote. An unviable cell mass is not a baby any way you look at it.


HBS x

If you mean a zygote is an unviable cell mass then you're mistaken. A zygote is a very viable cell mass which goes on to divide from a two cell mass to become an embryo. Which broadly speaking is a baby. However, I doubt many women believe a zygote is a baby due to the fact that they're not actually aware of it's formation until it becomes an embryo. At this point they may think of it as a baby - but not before.

poet123

heartbreak_star wrote: »

I merely quote the scientific fact. I stick by proven science.

HBS x

That is not really the point though is it? There is always ongoing debate re this subject, so to say too many people don't differentiate is to imply your view is correct and theirs is wrong.

heartbreak_star

As far as science has shown me, until organs are formed, it's not a person.

But yep, each to their own, I just don't like women being harassed by so-called pro-lifers because they removed a blob of cells. I'm pretty harsh on this because I saw a young (16) girl who lived near me bullied by her family into keeping her baby (contraception was used, but it's not 100% of course) and she made several suicide attempts. I think it was a disgusting way for her family to act when if she had been supported in her abortion decision all would have been well. I sat on the fence till then but have been pro-choice ever since.

And far from being anti-child (though CFBC and looking into sterilisation), one of my close friends has had a difficult first trimester and is now positively blooming, and I'm delighted for her and her partner. But if another friend falls pregnant and terminates, I'll be just as happy that she made the right decision for her.

HBS x

heretolearn_2

I should think she's learned her lesson about contraception. Although it's not 100%, so maybe she was as careful as she could be and it still happened. You know you get people/families that struggle with infertility? I'm quite convinced there are super-fertile people as well that fall at the drop of a hat. In our family we joke that we only need a man to sneeze on us and we get pregnant, and it's not out of irresponsibility.

Don't let's start arguing about when a baby is there or not, or offend others with our opinions. An abortion/loss of pregnancy at even a very early stage can be devastating to those involved and it IS their 'baby' to them, even if it's still at the blob of cells stage. Lets not be insensitive. I personally don't think it's a baby until everything starts to form properly, but I wouldn't say to someone who's had an early miscarriage that it wasn't a baby.

heartbreak_star

I totally agree on the super-fertile thing! One of my mum's friends has five kids - one was conceived on the Pill, one on the implant and another when he used condoms in addition to the implant. My mum says she falls pregnant whenever he looks at her!

HBS x

taxi36

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Having a baby in your teens (particularly outside a stable relationship) is often not such a good idea; there are many studies showing the negative impacts on both mother and child socially, economically and so on. Note that I said often not always/ never.

Yeah I understand what you are saying as I am speaking from experience. I am 18 years old and I have an 8 month old Baby myself.

I was just trying to make the point that maybe this teenager was considering termination as she feared the reaction from her Father. When I first found out I was pregnant I felt that fear too , I thought about termination because I thought that my Mum+Dad would go spare lol.

I got that way out though as my Dad was fantastic.

I see from the posts earlier though that the girl hasnt told her Dad as she thinks he will try to encourage her to keep the Baby so the situation is a little different from mine.

I wasnt saying that she wasnt adult enough to make the decision herself without her Dad's input.

I hope that if I ever have a Daughter she comes to me if she needs advice on matters such as this + doesnt feel that she has to go to an outsider in times of need.

marywooyeah

taxi36 wrote: »

Yeah I understand what you are saying as I am speaking from experience. I am 18 years old and I have an 8 month old Baby myself.

I was just trying to make the point that maybe this teenager was considering termination as she feared the reaction from her Father. When I first found out I was pregnant I felt that fear too , I thought about termination because I thought that my Mum+Dad would go spare lol.

I got that way out though as my Dad was fantastic.

I see from the posts earlier though that the girl hasnt told her Dad as she thinks he will try to encourage her to keep the Baby so the situation is a little different from mine.

I wasnt saying that she wasnt adult enough to make the decision herself without her Dad's input.

I hope that if I ever have a Daughter she comes to me if she needs advice on matters such as this + doesnt feel that she has to go to an outsider in times of need.

I thought you were the girl's father? Not sure if perhaps you are just using the account to post this or whether it has been you all along, but I am so glad you kept your baby and are enjoying motherhood xxx

Torry_Quine

heartbreak_star wrote: »

I think too many people don't differentiate between a baby and a zygote. An unviable cell mass is not a baby any way you look at it.

Incidentally, Care Confidential are scaremongerers, and I told them as much - one of their more religious advisors offered me "spiritual help to make the right decision"...which was not abortion. Marie Stopes and Brook - so much better.

HBS x

No CARE confidential aren't scaremongers as I said before. Are you saying that you've had counselling at one of there centres and the counsellor offered 'spiritual help to make the right decision'. If that's the case then she was going against what us clearly supposed to happen.

Can't agree at all about the other organisations at all.

heartbreak_star wrote: »

As far as science has shown me, until organs are formed, it's not a person.

But yep, each to their own, I just don't like women being harassed by so-called pro-lifers because they removed a blob of cells. I'm pretty harsh on this because I saw a young (16) girl who lived near me bullied by her family into keeping her baby (contraception was used, but it's not 100% of course) and she made several suicide attempts. I think it was a disgusting way for her family to act when if she had been supported in her abortion decision all would have been well. I sat on the fence till then but have been pro-choice ever since.

And far from being anti-child (though CFBC and looking into sterilisation), one of my close friends has had a difficult first trimester and is now positively blooming, and I'm delighted for her and her partner. But if another friend falls pregnant and terminates, I'll be just as happy that she made the right decision for her.

HBS x

I agree with you that bullying someone to make the decision that you personally think is the right one is very wrong and counter to everything that a pro-lifer should stand for.

Even if someone makes a decision that we don't agree with we should always respect the right of others to make the decision that's right for them.