delicate subject - abortion

Person_one

Welshwoofs wrote: »

I'm very saddened to hear that and I always pity those poor girls in Southern Ireland who don't have the option of a legal abortion at all.

http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/Womens_services/Abortion/Abortion_for_women_from_Ireland_and_other_countries/Travelling_from_Ireland.aspx

Thankfully, Marie Stopes offer help to Irish women, but of course its much harder for them than it should be.

poet123

peachyprice wrote: »

Yes, it is a constant worry. I had a coil fail, not fall out without me noticing, 100% fail, not my fault, no way I could have known.

I now have the Mirena, which is supposed to be the safest of all, but as a result of that pregnancy, 10 years ago, we very rarely have penetrative sex and if we do it's even rarer for my OH to come in me. (which is fine, we make our own fun )

I always have pregnancy tests in the house and if I feel not quite right it's the first thing I do.

Why not go down the permanent route via Vasectomy or sterilisation?

peachyprice

poet123 wrote: »

Why not go down the permanent route via Vasectomy or sterilisation?

That's too drastic for me, you never know what life will throw at you. If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd have another baby in a heartbeat.

Welshwoofs

poet123 wrote: »

They were stats on the prevalence of more than one, often multiple, abortions;)

Well the 3 girls in the Telegraph piece were either a few sandwiches short of a picnic or massively stupid.

The figures in that piece show that 434 women out of 189,931 had more than 5 abortions and my take on that is that it's not a high percentage and that they're probably as dumb as rocks anyway....just like the women who have 5+ children when they have no source of income.

Having said that, I don't have a problem with someone having more than one abortion in principle. As I said, if contraception failed me now and I got pregnant...I would abort again, however that doesn't mean that I'm using abortion as a contraception. There could easily be cases of women who had an abortion when young who then went on to have children and perhaps got pregnant again later on in life and had to abort due to medical issues.

Nicki

Welshwoofs wrote: »

There could easily be cases of women who had an abortion when young who then went on to have children and perhaps got pregnant again later on in life and had to abort due to medical issues.

63,300 women had their second (or more) termination in 2011 in the UK alone. Only about 8% of all terminations are for medical reasons or maternal rape. So either there are a lot of women in the UK unfortunate enough to have contraception fail repeatedly, in circumstances where they are also unable to use after the fact contraceptive means, or unpalatable as it sounds, there are tens of thousands of women every year in this country who choose not to use contraception properly and consistently (or at all) and rely on the easy availability of abortion to bail them out. I find it hard to believe this is a social good. These statistics are just for the UK, a relatively small country, the worldwide statistics each year are probably horrendous

likelyfran

kitschkitty wrote: »

Let me spell it out for you then.

Pro life - once conception has happened there should never be any reason to end it.

Pro abortion - once conception has happened there should never be any reason to continue it.

Pro choice - once conception has happened the woman who has conceived should have the choice to end or continue it.

There really was no need for you to spell anything out for me.

I also think your definition of 'pro-abortion' is completely LUDICROUS, in that it basically posits that someone who is pro-abortion would abort any pregnancy that arose at any time in their life and under any circumstances! I don't think many 'pro-abortionists' would agree with your definition!

poet123

Apparently it is not unpalatable to everyone. To be honest whether you are pro choice or not I can't understand how those figures are not shocking.

likelyfran

kitschkitty wrote: »

Let me spell it out for you then.

Pro life - once conception has happened there should never be any reason to end it.

Pro abortion - once conception has happened there should never be any reason to continue it.

Pro choice - once conception has happened the woman who has conceived should have the choice to end or continue it.

There really was no need for you to spell anything out for me.

I also think your definition of 'pro-abortion' is completely LUDICROUS, in that it basically posits that someone who is pro-abortion would abort any pregnancy that arose at any time in their life and under any circumstances! I don't think many 'pro-abortionists' would agree with your definition! (and FIVE PEOPLE THANKED YOU!) *slaps forehead in despair*

likelyfran

Errata wrote: »

You should, common usage of the word abortionisrt is to describe someone who performs illegal abortions.
I'm sure even you don't believe that a GP will happily say to a womann "Ah yes, I'll refer you to an abortionist".

Should I indeed?
I think not.
There's 'common usage' and there's what a word actually means. Note the use of the word 'especially' in the definition below.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/abortionist

Person_one

likelyfran wrote: »

There really was no need for you to spell anything out for me.

I also think your definition of 'pro-abortion' is completely LUDICROUS, in that it basically posits that someone who is pro-abortion would abort any pregnancy that arose at any time in their life and under any circumstances! I don't think many 'pro-abortionists' would agree with your definition!

It certainly is ludicrous, that's sort of the point.

Nobody who is pro-choice wishes to dictate the decisions of other women, that's what the so called 'pro life' crowd want to do.