delicate subject - abortion

poet123

Welshwoofs wrote: »

No, it's not an opinion, it's a fact - both medically and legally. If an abortion were 'killing a child' then women who did it could be charged with murder couldn't they. Believing that an abortion is killing a child is an opinion.





Before abortions were legal women still had abortions, they just had them at 'backstreet abortionists' - it was unsafe and illegal and the women who performed abortions faced prosecution if caught.

I'd summise that a few posters on this thread would love to return to that state of affairs.

I would hope that would not be the case.

What is your take on the stats Nicki posted and the link I gave?

peachyprice

janninew wrote: »

For genuine contraception failures which result in an unwanted pregnancy must be the worst thing, not only having to have an abortion, but surely you would always be worried in the future that the same may happen again.

Yes, it is a constant worry. I had a coil fail, not fall out without me noticing, 100% fail, not my fault, no way I could have known.

I now have the Mirena, which is supposed to be the safest of all, but as a result of that pregnancy, 10 years ago, we very rarely have penetrative sex and if we do it's even rarer for my OH to come in me. (which is fine, we make our own fun )

I always have pregnancy tests in the house and if I feel not quite right it's the first thing I do.

Person_one

peachyprice wrote: »

but as a result of that pregnancy, 10 years ago, we very rarely have penetrative sex and if we do it's even rarer for my OH to come in me. (which is fine, we make our own fun )

Um, thanks for sharing?

Errata

Welshwoofs wrote: »

No, it's not an opinion, it's a fact - both medically and legally. If an abortion were 'killing a child' then women who did it could be charged with murder couldn't they. Believing that an abortion is killing a child is an opinion.





Before abortions were legal women still had abortions, they just had them at 'backstreet abortionists' - it was unsafe and illegal and the women who performed abortions faced prosecution if caught.

I'd summise that a few posters on this thread would love to return to that state of affairs.

Back street abortionists still exist: "Oh christ, I'm late" ..... "Go and see xxxxx down the street she'll give you something to start you off".

janninew

peachyprice wrote: »

Yes, it is a constant worry. I had a coil fail, not fall out without me noticing, 100% fail, not my fault, no way I could have known.

I now have the Mirena, which is supposed to be the safest of all, but as a result of that pregnancy, 10 years ago, we very rarely have penetrative sex and if we do it's even rarer for my OH to come in me. (which is fine, we make our own fun )

I always have pregnancy tests in the house and if I feel not quite right it's the first thing I do.

I'm lucky that I've never had contraception fail on me (touch wood!!) but it is always a worry in the back of my mind as I've had a child, a very difficult pregnancy and a very premature birth and don't want any more children, neither does my hubby. I've spoken to my Doctor about permanent methods and he was quite dismissive of me and said I would probably change my mind as I'm only 28 years old - not a chance I'll change my mind! So I've got another appointment with another Doctor and I'm going to let him know my reasons and push harder!

peachyprice

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Patient Information Leaflets did not become a requirement until a few years ago, they were often absent from antibiotics because these were 'packed down' from a bulk supply rather than being in a calendar pack. A fairly high percentage don't read the PIL or don't read it thoroughly, and teens are particularly irresponsible/ non compliant with prescribed medication.

You have a point here. I knew about the effects of antibiotics on the pill, I was told 30 years ago when I first took it.

However, I had my Mirena changed recently and had a short course of the pill between one being removed and the new one fitted. This was the first time I'd been to the family planning clinic for it and the pack of pills I was given was just that, the blister pack with no leaflet, the condoms were just loose in a bag, no instructions. Now I'm a grown woman and know how these things work, but if that's how they're giving them to the teenagers who go there it's no wonder accidents happen.

peachyprice

Person_one wrote: »

Um, thanks for sharing?

You're welcome.

Welshwoofs

poet123 wrote: »

What is your take on the stats Nicki posted and the link I gave?

I didn't look at them to be honest. I'd imagine we almost certainly have a higher sterialisation rate than the US as large chunks of that country are hardly what I'd call 'enlightened' when it comes to family planning matters. I only know what my experience was; that it was a request turned down flat (that would have been about 10 years ago now).

I do have a friend who was granted sterialisation on the NHS in her early 30s, having had no children, but the reason she was allowed was because she suffered from extremely bad endrometriosis and she actually had a hysterectomy.

Welshwoofs

Errata wrote: »

Back street abortionists still exist: "Oh christ, I'm late" ..... "Go and see xxxxx down the street she'll give you something to start you off".

I'm very saddened to hear that and I always pity those poor girls in Southern Ireland who don't have the option of a legal abortion at all.

poet123

Welshwoofs wrote: »

I didn't look at them to be honest. I'd imagine we almost certainly have a higher sterialisation rate than the US as large chunks of that country are hardly what I'd call 'enlightened' when it comes to family planning matters. I only know what my experience was; that it was a request turned down flat (that would have been about 10 years ago now).

I do have a friend who was granted sterialisation on the NHS in her early 30s, having had no children, but the reason she was allowed was because she suffered from extremely bad endrometriosis and she actually had a hysterectomy.

They were stats on the prevalence of more than one, often multiple, abortions;)