delicate subject - abortion

Nicki

poet123 wrote: »

That is a much higher figure than I would have expected.

It's eye popping isn't it. As is this article which deals just with the statistics for abortions carried out last year

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9296924/Tens-of-thousands-of-women-have-had-more-than-one-abortion-official-statistics.html

where 434 women who had a termination last year had had more than 5 abortions, and although last year the percentage of women having not their first termination in the UK was "only" 38% that still equated to more than 63,000 women :eek:

For a lot of women, abortion isn't a one off, last resort option unfortunately.

poet123

That is a shocking set of statistics imo.

Nicki

poet123 wrote: »

That is a shocking set of statistics imo.

We have to stop agreeing on things poet, its so much more fun when we enter into spirited debate

poet123

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9289343/NHS-performed-24-abortions-on-three-teenage-girls.html

This is equally shocking imo.

Nicki

I am thoroughly depressed now. Surely this wasn't what a woman's right to choose was supposed to mean? This state of affairs IMO can't be good for anyone.

heretolearn_2

The reason that we don't call Doctors who perform abortions 'abortionists' is because this is not their job title.

Abortionist is an emotive word used to describe illegal activities and by anti-choice campaigners to misdescribe the doctors who perform legal abortions. Fine. They do abortions. that doesn't mean they should be called 'abortionists' any more than you would call dentists 'hole drillers' or 'toothscrapers'.

Describing one type of work someone does, as part of their total job, isn't their job title. doctors who perform abortions in UK are surgeons, gynacologists, physicians etc... and are often involved in many other types of medical work. Often working with pregnant women (who are having their babies) to support those pregnancies.

When a SURGEON implanted a plate in my wrist, he didn't change his job title to 'plate inserter'. A SURGEON who performs an abortion doesn't change his job title to 'abortionist'. It's a nonsensical way to look at it.

It's a judgemental 'shock treatment' invented title for doctors who are doing their best to help women, often in many different ways, in many situations.

lilibet1

Things seem to be getting very ugly on MSE recently.

Abortion, is never ever going to be an easy subject to debate I'm afraid. Personally it's a subject that I rarely talk about. Does anyone think that abortion and it's secretive issues are the same things women felt when they had adoptions yrs ago? Let's face it, if abortion wasn't available then adoptions would still be high and that is another sad scenario that im well read unfortunately x

Welshwoofs

janninew wrote: »

But the info was available to you and its the patients responsibility to read the enclosed leaflet, I always do whenever I get new medications, I've got one child and don't want any more so I'm very careful to check the small print. I'm sure plenty of people don't read the leaflet, but you can't expect your GP to tell you every side effect, some tablets I'm on at the moment have a small book filled with side effects, some quite serious, if my GP went through each one I would need a 2 hour appointment!

I know it's the patient's responsibility to read the small print - I didn't suggest otherwise. I was young and ignorant...s-hit happens as they say. Now I know better.

Welshwoofs

Lotus-eater wrote: »

Well that's your opinion, not as you always seem to think your opinions are, an actual fact.

No, it's not an opinion, it's a fact - both medically and legally. If an abortion were 'killing a child' then women who did it could be charged with murder couldn't they. Believing that an abortion is killing a child is an opinion.

lilibet1 wrote: »

Does anyone think that abortion and it's secretive issues are the same things women felt when they had adoptions yrs ago? Let's face it, if abortion wasn't available then adoptions would still be high and that is another sad scenario that im well read unfortunately x

Before abortions were legal women still had abortions, they just had them at 'backstreet abortionists' - it was unsafe and illegal and the women who performed abortions faced prosecution if caught.

I'd summise that a few posters on this thread would love to return to that state of affairs.

Person_one

likelyfran wrote: »

There's plenty of people dying to adopt. Would it not be better to have the child - who is after all blameless, instead of killing it, and let it go to a loving home elsewhere?

Pregnancy and childbirth still carry significant health risks, including death. No way would I be taking that chance to provide someone else with a baby.