delicate subject - abortion

Fire_Fox

likelyfran wrote: »

Diddums! I got pregnant cos I didn't use no connies nor nuthin but I don't fancy all that pregnant lark, gonna kill it!

What a mature response: I hope you are child free by choice.

poet123

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Which stats for women under 30?

The ones the representative from Marie Stopes referred to in your link as being higher (specifically for the under 30's) in the UK than anywhere in Europe or the US.

Fire_Fox

poet123 wrote: »

The ones the representative from Marie Stopes referred to in your link as being higher (specifically for the under 30's) in the UK than anywhere in Europe or the US.

Again which statistics please? I don't see any numbers anywhere for women under thirty, nor for childless women let alone both. More is a relative term, it is not a statistic - two is more than one.

janninew

amus wrote: »

Casual or not whats the alternative?

To force women to have unwanted babies which may end up neglected and uncared for? The care system is already at breaking point.

Just because some women are irresponsible about contraception doesnt mean the choice should be taken away from other women.

I personally dont 'get' why some women would forgo contraception knowing the inevitable outcome of such actions and then opt for abortion, especially in this day and age, but I still think its a far better alternative than bringing an unwanted human being into this world.

Just to pick up on your last paragraph, your right I don't think most women will forgo contraception, but may not use it correctly or forget in the heat of the moment!

I have a small group of female friends, one had a little boy this year, she was on the pill but fell pregnant, there was me thinking how unfortunate, but then she said she 'sometimes forgets to take it!!' So not really contraception failing, but not being used correctly. The same as falling pregnant when on the pill and taking other medications at the same time, not a contraception failure, more a user failure! If a condom splits, the morning after pill is available and surely a better option than an abortion.

For genuine contraception failures which result in an unwanted pregnancy must be the worst thing, not only having to have an abortion, but surely you would always be worried in the future that the same may happen again.

Errata

poet123 wrote: »

The ones the representative from Marie Stopes referred to in your link as being higher (specifically for the under 30's) in the UK than anywhere in Europe or the US.

Higher than Swedens? http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-sweden.html

Welshwoofs

janninew wrote: »

The same as falling pregnant when on the pill and taking other medications at the same time, not a contraception failure, more a user failure!

That was how I got pregnant. I had absolutely no idea that taking medication for an illness may render the pill less effective; it certainly wasn't one of the risks mentioned by my GP when I was prescribed the pill. Of course after the event I found mention of it buried in the reams of tiny small print on the insert that came in the package....but I wonder how many people, like me, don't read those?

kitschkitty

likelyfran wrote: »

Huh??? By definition if someone thinks it is OK to either have an abortion or not have one, they are 'pro' both options. Your post makes no sense at all!!

Let me spell it out for you then.

Pro life - once conception has happened there should never be any reason to end it.

Pro abortion - once conception has happened there should never be any reason to continue it.

Pro choice - once conception has happened the woman who has conceived should have the choice to end or continue it.

janninew

Welshwoofs wrote: »

That was how I got pregnant. I had absolutely no idea that taking medication for an illness may render the pill less effective; it certainly wasn't one of the risks mentioned by my GP when I was prescribed the pill. Of course after the event I found mention of it buried in the reams of tiny small print on the insert that came in the package....but I wonder how many people, like me, don't read those?

But the info was available to you and its the patients responsibility to read the enclosed leaflet, I always do whenever I get new medications, I've got one child and don't want any more so I'm very careful to check the small print. I'm sure plenty of people don't read the leaflet, but you can't expect your GP to tell you every side effect, some tablets I'm on at the moment have a small book filled with side effects, some quite serious, if my GP went through each one I would need a 2 hour appointment!

poet123

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Again which statistics please? I don't see any numbers anywhere for women under thirty, nor for childless women let alone both. More is a relative term, it is not a statistic - two is more than one.

If the rep states that our rates are the highest in Europe and higher than the US one assumes she has access in her professional capacity to the figures which support this contention . I very much doubt she is talking about two;) but let's nit pick if that makes you feel better.

From her comments there are clearly a good number of childless women under 30 who are sterilised every year, it probably suits your purpose not to acknowledge that because you found it so difficult to join their number. That does not negate the facts.

kitschkitty

likelyfran wrote: »

Huh??? By definition if someone thinks it is OK to either have an abortion or not have one, they are 'pro' both options. Your post makes no sense at all!!

Also from a different angle: Many people would prefer that abortion was never necessary/carried out so are not "pro abortion" BUT are intelligent/educated/free thinking/compassionate enough to be able to understand that it is some times necessary, that it should be an available option and that the woman who has conceived should have the right to decide for herself if it is something she needs. Hence pro choice not pro abortion.