delicate subject - abortion

Welshwoofs

likelyfran wrote: »

Am I alone in thinking that a lot of people should really just use contraception in the first place?

I was using contraception for the very reason that the absolute last thing I wanted in my life was a child.

Some women really do have abortion after abortion and it's really not OK! The child didn't ask to be conceived nor seen as a mere 'inconvenience' before it's poisoned, sucked out, macerated or however it's 'aborted'. Sorry but it's true!

Actually, very far from true as there's no child to 'ask' anything. Most abortions in the UK are done before the embryo is even fully formed, let alone sentient and able to sit around making choices about its future prospects.

Welshwoofs

marywooyeah wrote: »

I did recieve an apology from the abortionist after a formal complaint but doubt it's sincerity. Even if it was genuine nothing will change what happened to me.

Out of interest, what was the doctor actually apologising for? Was the procedure botched in some way?

patacake58

marywooyeah wrote: »

there's too many to reply to:

I won't pray for you welshwoofs if you feel so strongly against it, you are quite right to say someone rode over me and I wouldn't wish to do the same to another. It was never intended that way nor "showing off" as another poster said.

can't remember who said it but I do accept my role in what happened to me and that took a long time to come to terms with my patheticness (don't think that's actually a word but you get the gist). I did recieve an apology from the abortionist after a formal complaint but doubt it's sincerity. Even if it was genuine nothing will change what happened to me.

again can't remember who said it but I don't have a problem rationalising what happened to me, again it took a long time to get there but I do see things clearer. that particular poster was correct to say that I do have a lot of grief, I don't think that will ever go away but I accept that is the price I have to pay.

I am hopeful that if a diagnosis of ptsd is made then I could access some support.

I really hope you get the support you need Mary.
Have you looked into bereavement counselling? They may be able to help you.
Good luck, pat x

poet123

Humphrey10 wrote: »

It would be far far worse than simply an inconvenience, to me.
It would be a tumour, an unwanted growth, sucking my blood, growing and squirming inside me, harming me, something to be destroyed ASAP. The thought of being pregnant disgusts me.

*waits for replies along the line of "but you're a woman, you should want to be pregnant all the time, your only purpose is to serve men by sexually pleasuring them and bearing their children" *

What century do you think we are living in? Has anyone ever said that to you? I think that such a warped view of how others would perceive someone who doesn't want children shows that you have real issues surrounding this subject which probably colour many other areas of your life.

POPPYOSCAR

poet123 wrote: »

What century do you think we are living in? Has anyone ever said that to you? I think that such a warped view of how others would perceive someone who doesn't want children show that you have real issues surrounding this subject which probably colour many other areas of your life.

I completely agree.

I can fully understand someone hating the idea of being pregnant but that last paragraph of that post you quote, does shout out other issues are at play here.

poet123

Welshwoofs wrote: »

Actually, very far from true as there's no child to 'ask' anything. Most abortions in the UK are done before the embryo is even fully formed, let alone sentient and able to sit around making choices about its future prospects.

If you read Judi's very moving account of a miscarriage at 12 weeks it was very much a fully formed being.

Welshwoofs

poet123 wrote: »

If you read Judi's very moving account of a miscarriage at 12 weeks it was very much a fully formed being.

The embryo becomes fully formed at 12 weeks - most abortions in the UK are done up to 12 weeks and are therefore not fully formed.

Even at 12 weeks, though it's then fully formed at that stage, it's certainly not viable outside the womb and it's certainly not capable of making decisions...which is what the overly emotive 'the child didn't ask to be conceived' poast I was replying to was implying.

raven83

This thread is getting more and more disturbing.

It's funny when a woman is pregnant say at 9 weeks and refers to what is inside her a "cells" or a "blob" and that it is nothing to her, then the same woman at 9 weeks pregnant with a wanted child refers to the pregnancy as her baby or "bean", and how her baby has got this and that being formed at that week.

Edit. people keep going on about a baby in utero is incapable of making choices/decisions, but then a newborn baby is also incapable of making decisions, so would it be acceptable to end the life of a child that has been born?!

Welshwoofs

raven83 wrote: »

It's funny when a woman is pregnant say at 9 weeks and refers to what is inside her a "cells" or a "blob" and that it is nothing to her, then the same woman at 9 weeks pregnant with a wanted child refers to the pregnancy as her baby or "bean", and how her baby has got this and that being formed at that week.

It's simply different perspectives isn't it. I don't see what's disturbing about that....it'd be more disturbing if everyone thought in exactly the same way IMO.

BugglyB

likelyfran wrote: »

I really don't get the 'pro-choice' term.
OK, there are some women who become pregnant when they really didn't want to and actually tried not to, as for the rest - just use ****ing contraception! :mad:
Some women really do have abortion after abortion and it's really not OK! The child didn't ask to be conceived nor seen as a mere 'inconvenience' before it's poisoned, sucked out, macerated or however it's 'aborted'. Sorry but it's true!

Pro-choice means people have the right to choose whether they carry a pregnancy full term. I don't see whats not to get.

On the other thing you mention, yes I know people like that too. I am firmly pro choice, but I think that abortion is essentially a bad thing and more emphasis should be put on reducing unwanted pregnancy in the first place.

Abortion is here to stay whether people like it or not. The only thing anti-abortion legislation can do is make it more expensive (you have to go abroad for it) or more dangerous.