delicate subject - abortion

POPPYOSCAR

taxi36 wrote: »

Hiya Marywooyeah. Yes , this is my Dad's account. Im just using it to post.

All the posts on this thread have been made by me.

I am enjoying being a Mummy very much thanks. My Son is such a happy baby so it makes it much easier. I also have lots of help lol .

Toni x

Can I just say from what I remember of your dad's previous posts what a lovely and supportive dad you have.

System

Errr no, I didn't 'have a baby'. I was rather unfortunately pregnant and I got rid of the embryo at around 3 months in. I had no baby, I've never been a Mother - I got a D&C to rid me of an unfortunate and rather inconvenient problem. End of.

What an awful thing to say.

The life I got rid of was the size of the end of my thumb and totally unviable outside the womb. It was NOT a baby, it was a blob of matter.

I had a miscarriage at 12 weeks and my baby was delivered complete. It wasnt a blob of matter, it had a head, a body and arms and legs. It definately wasnt a 'blob of matter', it was just unable to survive outside my body. That baby, though small, was about 3" long.

Torry_Quine

patwinning wrote: »

No need to be so harsh.
If mary wants to pray for someone who has no belief in god its not going to harm them surely?
It may actually help mary to do this, i dont think its meant as an insult.
What exactly does the person think is going to happen to them if she prays for them?

I'm sorry you feel I was harsh and I agree that praying for someone is of no harm. I merely mean that she doesn't need to tell her that's she prays and so would not risk the wrath of the person she wishes to pray for.

You would have to ask the person themself what will happen if they are prayed for but it could be that as they don't believe in God its insulting to them.

zaxdog

patwinning wrote: »

No need to be so harsh.
If mary wants to pray for someone who has no belief in god its not going to harm them surely?
It may actually help mary to do this, i dont think its meant as an insult.
What exactly does the person think is going to happen to them if she prays for them?

I personally would find it extremely insulting! Try inserting "Wiccan ritual" or "Satanic rite" and see if you feel the same way!

Think it should be obvious by now that for lots of women an abortion is simply NOT a big deal. They aren't abnormal they just look on it as an accident the consequences of which need to be dealt with then they move on.

Welshwoofs

patwinning wrote: »

No need to be so harsh.
If mary wants to pray for someone who has no belief in god its not going to harm them surely?

Because to tell an atheist you are going to pray for them when they've explicitly told them not to is extremely disrespectful to their own beliefs.

What exactly does the person think is going to happen to them if she prays for them?

If I don't know about it....nothing. If I'm aware of it then it's going to make me bloody irritated as I find it condescending and disrespectful.

Welshwoofs

Judi wrote: »

What an awful thing to say.

Why is it an awful thing to say? Being pregnant when I didn't want to be was obviously problem. It was also massively inconvenient - the timing was really bad.

The fact that you don't share my views about my own pregnancy is wholly irrelevant.

Brighton_belle

patwinning wrote: »

No need to be so harsh.
If mary wants to pray for someone who has no belief in god its not going to harm them surely?
It may actually help mary to do this, i dont think its meant as an insult.
What exactly does the person think is going to happen to them if she prays for them?

Quietly getting on with praying for someone is fine: it's the showing off about it that negates the whole thing when you know it is against the persons wishes. It also shows that the prayer really wasn't listening to someone elses needs and wishes which is be patronising and irritating so is unhelpful in spreading goodwill.
I appreicated torry recognising the insistant publicising of such prayers as unhelpful.

Person_one

Judi wrote: »

What an awful thing to say.



I had a miscarriage at 12 weeks and my baby was delivered complete. It wasnt a blob of matter, it had a head, a body and arms and legs. It definately wasnt a 'blob of matter', it was just unable to survive outside my body. That baby, though small, was about 3" long.

Can you not understand that there is a huge huge difference between a wanted and loved baby at 12 weeks and an unplanned and unwanted foetus at 12 weeks?

patacake58

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I'm sorry you feel I was harsh and I agree that praying for someone is of no harm. I merely mean that she doesn't need to tell her that's she prays and so would not risk the wrath of the person she wishes to pray for.

You would have to ask the person themself what will happen if they are prayed for but it could be that as they don't believe in God its insulting to them.

Maybe harsh was the wrong word, sorry about that:o
I just dont see the harm in it but, of course, thats my opinion only.
As i said, maybe it helps mary to deal with her own grief.
I'm unsure about a god myself but if it helps other people to cope with life then i dont see the harm in it:)

patacake58

zaxdog wrote: »

I personally would find it extremely insulting! Try inserting "Wiccan ritual" or "Satanic rite" and see if you feel the same way!

Think it should be obvious by now that for lots of women an abortion is simply NOT a big deal. They aren't abnormal they just look on it as an accident the consequences of which need to be dealt with then they move on.

It wouldn't bother me as i dont believe in those thing.
Really not trying to have a go at anyone. I just believe that maybe we should be a bit more tolerant of each other?