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The_Green_Man wrote: »

What price do you value your integrity? £55 a year? You sell out cheaply.

Please try and remember who is paying your £55 a year - people who have to make the choice of whether to 'heat or eat'.

As I said earlier, to people who defraud the taxpayer it seems like a small amount, a bit of taxi work or cash in hand labouring to supplement the income support. What harm does it do? Eh?

Remember us PV'ers pay towards our own FIT/Export

The_Green_Man_2

EricMears wrote: »

As we've grown to expect, that's yet another attack on the FIT scheme from somebody who just doesn't understand it. In spite of me explaining it a few minutes ago; in spite of other long-standing MSE members explaining it on many previous occasions; in spite of the complete scheme being described in minute detail for anyone prepared to take the trouble to check the facts rather than recycling their foolish prejudices.

FIT payments are made exclusively for generating electricity. There is no requirement to export any of it.

Really? It looks like you don't understand FITs (perhaps deliberately?):

If you are eligible to receive FITs you will benefit in three ways:

• Generation tariff: your energy supplier will pay you a set rate for each unit (or kWh) of electricity you generate. Once your system has been registered, the tariff levels are guaranteed for the period of the tariff (up to 20 years) and are index-linked.

• Export tariff: you will get a further 4.64p/kWh from your energy supplier for each unit you export back to the electricity grid, so you can sell any electricity you generate but don't use yourself. This rate is the same for all technologies. At some stage smart meters will be installed to measure what you export, but until then it is estimated as being 50% of the electricity you generate (only systems above 30kWp need to have an export meter fitted, and a domestic system is unlikely to be that big).

• Energy bill savings: you will be making savings on your electricity bills because generating electricity to power your appliances means you don’t have to buy as much electricity from your energy supplier. The amount you save will vary depending how much of the electricity you use on site.

http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generating-energy/Getting-money-back/Feed-In-Tariffs-scheme-FITs

The_Green_Man_2

jeepjunkie wrote: »

Remember us PV'ers pay towards our own FIT/Export

A tiny fraction of what you receive. All you are doing with your flippancy is underlining my argument that people with PV are only out for themselves. Thanks for your help.

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The_Green_Man wrote: »

A tiny fraction of what you receive. All you are doing with your flippancy is underlining my argument that people with PV are only out for themselves. Thanks for your help.

!!!! I almost !!!!ed myself there

Oh dear...

:rotfl:

WestonDave

So people without PV are not only out for themselves - I think you'll find the number of people "only out for themselves" far outweighs the number with PV!

EricMears

The_Green_Man wrote: »

Really? It looks like you don't understand FITs (perhaps deliberately?):

On the contrary, I understand it very well.

Of the three benefits you list, only the first one is the actual FIT.

The second (giving figures for new installations only; previous members of the FIT scheme get a lower rate) is broadly correct but it's a separate scheme available to FIT recipients and not part of that scheme.

The third isn't a 'scheme' at all - it's reasonably obvious to anyone who understands the scheme that using your own electricity (even when accurate metering is available) will always be cheaper than buying some in.

EricMears

WestonDave wrote: »

So people without PV are not only out for themselves - I think you'll find the number of people "only out for themselves" far outweighs the number with PV!

Indeed, almost the whole basis of economics is that enough cases of 'enlightened self interest' will have a beneficial effect on a free market.

The_Green_Man_2

EricMears wrote: »

On the contrary, I understand it very well.

Of the three benefits you list, only the first one is the actual FIT.

The second (giving figures for new installations only; previous members of the FIT scheme get a lower rate) is broadly correct but it's a separate scheme available to FIT recipients and not part of that scheme.

The third isn't a 'scheme' at all - it's reasonably obvious to anyone who understands the scheme that using your own electricity (even when accurate metering is available) will always be cheaper than buying some in.

I didn't list the three benefits, the energy saving trust did.

http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generating-energy/Getting-money-back/Feed-In-Tariffs-scheme-FITs

How ever much you try and muddy the water, the salient point is that part of the feed in tarrif payment is taken from the estimation of export. If people deliberately divert their energy generation into hot water cylinders instead of the national grid, then they are receiving money to which they are not entitled. Fraud, in other words.

spgsc531

The_Green_Man wrote: »

A tiny fraction of what you receive. All you are doing with your flippancy is underlining my argument that people with PV are only out for themselves. Thanks for your help.

Seeing as you're looking for help:

The FIT scheme policy is set by the Government. If you have any comments on the Government policy, please contact the Department of Energy and Climate Change at [EMAIL="enquiries@decc.gsi.gov.uk"]enquiries@decc.gsi.gov.uk[/EMAIL] or by telephone on 0300 060 4000.

The_Green_Man wrote: »

I didn't list the three benefits, the energy saving trust did.

http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generating-energy/Getting-money-back/Feed-In-Tariffs-scheme-FITs

How ever much you try and muddy the water, the salient point is that part of the feed in tarrif payment is taken from the estimation of export. If people deliberately divert their energy generation into hot water cylinders instead of the national grid, then they are receiving money to which they are not entitled. Fraud, in other words.

Feel free to discuss with them widespread Fraud...

The_Green_Man_2

Wow, it's like a tag-team of PV Barons. Someone makes a post against feed in tariff and the same gang of people flood the thread and try to bully the person who made the point off the board.

You guys really don't like free speech, do you?