Choice of intelligent switches ?

EricMears

The_Green_Man wrote: »

I didn't list the three benefits, the energy saving trust did.

The EST are simplifying things for people who lack the equipment to find out the full facts.

There's the FIT scheme - paid for generating electricity and funded by (a very small proportion of) the Renewables Incentive levy on all electricity bills.

There's a separate scheme - paid for exporting electricity and funded out of normal revenue by the RECs

And the benefits of buying less electricty shpould be self evident to anybody.

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The_Green_Man wrote: »

A tiny fraction of what you receive. All you are doing with your flippancy is underlining my argument that people with PV are only out for themselves. Thanks for your help.

Seriously, living in the country, which is more expensive than living in a city one looks for ways to save on electricity. Not just PV but a whole raft of other measures e.g. insulation and low energy products. Unfortunately there is no mains gas in the countryside so ways have to be found to reduce cost.

Yet all the time the sheer number of whingers on MSE moaning about the price of gas cos they all assume it should cost 6p a month and don't bother to read their meter then moan... Gas is CHEAP, try living in the countryside and you'll see. People there have to monitor their useage.

So please do not critise the choices I made years ago when almost nobody was moaning and it was a great thing to be involved in...

EricMears

The_Green_Man wrote: »

You guys really don't like free speech, do you?

I don't think anyone is against free speech.

But you're wasting your efforts campaigning on these pages for a change in government policy.

orrery

The_Green_Man wrote: »

... people with PV are only out for themselves....

Strange that: all the people I know with PV are very committed to the environment (campaigning in favour of local windfarms, buying electric cars, using buses and cycles instead of cars, buying smaller more efficient cars, swapping to LED lighting etc). However, the government has offered an incentive for people to risk their own capital (they must have spare capital in the first place, otherwise it wouldn't work) to build solar PV generating capacity. If it had been an excessive incentive then solar PV would be being installed at an excessive rate, which hasn't happened. If I hadn't been able to see much better than 5% return on my investment then I wouldn't have bothered. So, did I install PV because I thought it was an environmentally responsible thing to do - yes. Did I expect to make a good return - yes - otherwise I'd have invested the money somewhere else.

The_Green_Man_2

EricMears wrote: »

I don't think anyone is against free speech.

But you're wasting your efforts campaigning on these pages for a change in government policy.

As I keep saying to you and as you keep ignoring me, I'm not trying to change government policy. I have posted on a thread entitled "PV is it worth it?" to inform the OP where the FIT payments come from and in the hope that he factors that into his decision to instal PV. I have also posted in here where people are talking about diverting exports into water heating in the hope that people think twice about it if they are in receipt of FITS.

As anyone who cares about their society knows, often you are 'whistling into the wind' when you go against the mainstream or against self-interest but that doesn't mean you don't at least try to change people's minds. I would not have though that I had to explain that on a 'green' forum.

The_Green_Man_2

jeepjunkie wrote: »

Seriously, living in the country, which is more expensive than living in a city one looks for ways to save on electricity. Not just PV but a whole raft of other measures e.g. insulation and low energy products. Unfortunately there is no mains gas in the countryside so ways have to be found to reduce cost.

Yet all the time the sheer number of whingers on MSE moaning about the price of gas cos they all assume it should cost 6p a month and don't bother to read their meter then moan... Gas is CHEAP, try living in the countryside and you'll see. People there have to monitor their useage.

So please do not critise the choices I made years ago when almost nobody was moaning and it was a great thing to be involved in...

What about those people who live in the countryside who can't afford to install PV, don't have a suitable location or who rent? What about their bills? Tough luck eh?

The_Green_Man_2

orrery wrote: »

Strange that: all the people I know with PV are very committed to the environment



Did I expect to make a good return - yes - otherwise I'd have invested the money somewhere else.

Hmnnnnn..... so only committed if there is a financial return? :think:

Out of interest, where else would you have invested?

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orrery wrote: »

Strange that: all the people I know with PV are very committed to the environment (campaigning in favour of local windfarms, buying electric cars, using buses and cycles instead of cars, buying smaller more efficient cars, swapping to LED lighting etc). However, the government has offered an incentive for people to risk their own capital (they must have spare capital in the first place, otherwise it wouldn't work) to build solar PV generating capacity. If it had been an excessive incentive then solar PV would be being installed at an excessive rate, which hasn't happened. If I hadn't been able to see much better than 5% return on my investment then I wouldn't have bothered. So, did I install PV because I thought it was an environmentally responsible thing to do - yes. Did I expect to make a good return - yes - otherwise I'd have invested the money somewhere else.

Totally agree.

PV makes you much more aware of energy useage.
I've cycled to work for 20 years.
My ancient pile is very energy efficient and is getting better with changing remaining lights to LEDs and CFLs.
Outdoor LEDs being delivered this week to rid myself of 500w floods. No street lights in the country... Who can I complain to as I believe I was missold a house in the country?
£88pm to heat 24/7, cook and light.
The ImmerSUN or similar will bring that down further.
I'd love an electric/hybrid car and am steering the wife that way.
I'm still trying to figure out a hydro turbine with no FITs.
Installed a 'green' heating system.

I go out into the big wide world and work hard... No time/interest to sit in my house watching sky tv, tapping a pointless message into facebook/twitter on my iphone whilst enjoying a nice tasty fag

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jeepjunkie wrote: »

Totally agree.
I've cycled to work for 20 years.

Oh !!!!, shot myself in the foot... Have bought two bikes on the Bike to Work scheme where you pay no Tax and NI on the bike so you get it half price.

Rumbled

The_Green_Man_2

jeepjunkie wrote: »

Totally agree.

PV makes you much more aware of energy useage.
I've cycled to work for 20 years.
My ancient pile is very energy efficient and is getting better with changing remaining lights to LEDs and CFLs.
Outdoor LEDs being delivered this week to rid myself of 500w floods. No street lights in the country... Who can I complain to as I believe I was missold a house in the country?
£88pm to heat 24/7, cook and light.
The ImmerSUN or similar will bring that down further.
I'd love an electric/hybrid car and am steering the wife that way.
I'm still trying to figure out a hydro turbine with no FITs.
Installed a 'green' heating system.

As we know, you installed the 'green heating system' in anticipation of receiving the Heat Incentive payments. Are you expecting your hybrid car and LED lights to also be paid for by poorer people?