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The_Green_Man_2

The_Green_Man wrote: »

What about those people who live in the countryside who can't afford to install PV, don't have a suitable location or who rent? What about their bills? Tough luck eh?

No response to this......

[Deleted User]

The_Green_Man wrote: »

No response to this......

PV or not measures can be taken to reduce household bills/consumption.

Many renters [is that a word?] have the benefit of PV too supplied either by landlord or council. Many people also signed up for rent a roof schemes.

I initially thought of PV as a natural extention to my stoozing activities which have now pretty much died a death since the banking crisis...

Seriously, PV is something I was always very interested in. FIT made it possible.

Hence why looking at DIY hydro from my river for garden/outbuilding lighting/power as the MCS route is to costly.

The_Green_Man_2

jeepjunkie wrote: »

PV or not measures can be taken to reduce household bills/consumption.

Many renters [is that a word?] have the benefit of PV too supplied either by landlord or council. Many people also signed up for rent a roof schemes.

I initially thought of PV as a natural extention to my stoozing activities which have now pretty much died a death since the banking crisis...

Seriously, PV is something I was always very interested in. FIT made it possible.

Hence why looking at DIY hydro from my river for garden/outbuilding lighting/power as the MCS route is to costly.

You seemed to be saying earlier that PV was the saviour of people in the countryside, who unlike those durned City Slickers couldn't get gas. Now you're saying that other 'methods' could be used (possibly to greater effect). Welcome to my world.

I doubt very much that if landlord put PV onto their properties, the tenants would get the FIT payments....

orrery

The_Green_Man wrote: »

Hmnnnnn..... so only committed if there is a financial return? :think:
Out of interest, where else would you have invested?

I'd only be committed to that level of outlay (and the maintenance access risk of coving the roof) if there was a decent return - yes, that would be one criteria but not the only one. The alternative would have been a stock market fund held in an ISA yielding around 10% compound with income re-invested, so higher risk and higher return, but also tax free. So, as solar PV isn't risk free (the government isn't a reliable partner in my books) it would need to yield in excess of 5% to give me a reasonable return on my investment.

The_Green_Man_2

orrery wrote: »

I'd only be committed to that level of outlay (and the maintenance access risk of coving the roof) if there was a decent return - yes, that would be one criteria but not the only one. The alternative would have been a stock market fund held in an ISA yielding around 10% compound with income re-invested, so higher risk and higher return, but also tax free. So, as solar PV isn't risk free (the government isn't a reliable partner in my books) it would need to yield in excess of 5% to give me a reasonable return on my investment.

So without the FIT payment, solar would not have provided a good enough return? Is that because for the money invested, it doesn't provide enough electricity*?

*Prior to FITs you could still export energy to the national grid and receive a payment based on the amount of export energy you generated.

[Deleted User]

The_Green_Man wrote: »

You seemed to be saying earlier that PV was the saviour of people in the countryside, who unlike those durned City Slickers couldn't get gas. Now you're saying that other 'methods' could be used (possibly to greater effect). Welcome to my world.

I doubt very much that if landlord put PV onto their properties, the tenants would get the FIT payments....

No but many on this site have enjoyed the challenge of making best use when the sun shines.

Ever since my first house in 1994 I've always used every method possible to live a frugal life. That way I can afford a nice house and hols. Money can go a long way if careful...

I've said lots of things, all are of course correct [in my world anyway]

Cheers

tunnel

The_Green_Man wrote: »

What about those people who live in the countryside who can't afford to install PV, don't have a suitable location or who rent? What about their bills? Tough luck eh?

As there's not many barn conversions in the towns and city's, are we to presume you fall into one of these groups?

Is that why your really so anti FITS? .

[Deleted User]

The_Green_Man wrote: »

As we know, you installed the 'green heating system' in anticipation of receiving the Heat Incentive payments.

Tell me about it... the money was destined for the mort. Spring 2014 will no doubt bring more bad news... At least FITs earns enough to cover the ASHP too...

Oh well, off to make some more wine, white this time...

The_Green_Man_2

tunnel wrote: »

As there's not many barn conversions in the towns and city's, are we to presume you fall into one of these groups?

Is that why your really so anti FITS? .

Is it so difficult to believe that someone who is middle class, middle income and has enough roof space for a 10 KW/h solar PV system if he so chose could possibly be against a government scheme that not only discriminates against the poor, but even worse, that takes money from the poor and distributes it to the wealthy?

Honestly/seriously, is that really so difficult to believe or understand?

[Deleted User]

The_Green_Man wrote: »

Is it so difficult to believe that someone who is middle class, middle income and has enough roof space for a 10 KW/h solar PV system if he so chose could possibly be against a government scheme that not only discriminates against the poor, but even worse, that takes money from the poor and distributes it to the wealthy?

Honestly/seriously, is that really so difficult to believe or understand?

Yet the 'poor' expect the rest of us to get out and work hard to pay for their benefits? Hence why I said earlier that income tax raised does not cover the benefits bill. An extremely odd situation dont you agree which has landed us with a 4.3 trillion pound debt which thanks to the structural deficit gets bigger every day... FITs is small fry in the real world.

I would have more respect for the some able bodied 'poor' if they could find something to do other than smash bottles daily on cycle paths that pass through their estates. Small minded idiots... Plenty work out there but benefits pay more as we live in a society where a large bulk of the population think they are entitled to things instead of working hard to achieve them...