Benefits and dog breeding

Pricivius

To answer a few queries that have been raised about the presence of pedigree dogs in Rescue, there are currently two chocolate labradors at Battersea Dogs' Home, alongside shih tzus, patterdales, a bassett hound and various other breeds. There is a breed rescue for virutally every breed - if not more than one. The pug is no exception and it's breed rescue is a registered charity which suggests it may not be a small operation. I have fostered 30 dogs over the last few years for various rescues, including one who was purchased as a puppy for £1,400 (before being dumped in rescue). Expense is no guarantee of a committed lifelong owner.

The other issue I forgot to mention is that a good breeder would take responsibilty for their dogs for the life of the dog, which means that if any of the puppies find themselves without a home 6 months, 3 years or even 10 or 15 years down the line, that the breeder will take them back and either keep or rehome them. Also, the puppies may not be born healthy and may require veterinary treatment. Another issue to be aware of is that mum may abandon her puppies so they would need hand-rearing around the clock. And another point to note is that some dogs are never the same again after rearing puppies - they can lose their socialisation skills and become intolerant of other dogs which can be very difficult.

Good to hear your dogs has been screened - the pug needs alot of tests, for hips, elbows, patella, eyes and thyroid screening, and of course xrays for hemivertebrae which I understand the Pug Club are collecting the results for in an effort to erradicate this horrible deformity from the breed.

I'm not sure anyone has accused the OP if committing a crime, let alone the crime of the century, but instead people have pointed out a number of issues she may not have been aware of. If she is aware of them, then fantastic, but I would rather point them out than presume!

Catden_2

If I was you I would enquire before you spend any money out to be sure. I don't think anyone on here actually knows the answer to your question.
So many posts with certain posters end up being so personal, they end up completly off topic.

Chrissiew

shegirl wrote: »

Do you live in a council or housing association property?If so,you are not allowed to breed animals at all,whether for money,gift or otherwise.Found that out a few years ago after mentioning my parents breeding dogs to a friend

Our HA specifies no pets in tbeir properties, we have 2 cats and they know about them, they even installed a cat flap for us when we had a new door, they say you mustn't put wooden or laminate flooring down, we, along with most of our neighbours have done this and we have been visited by the head of the association a few times for Varies reasons and she hasn't batted an eye lid about the flooring.

Certain rules they will turn a blind eye to and they really aren't worth the paper they are written on, I think someone breeding one litter of puppies won't really be classed as a business as long as it is a one off, of course the one thing it could receive complaints about is the noise it could create with yapping puppies running around, if neighbours complain about this then it could cause a bit of bother.

heartbreak_star

I feel exceptionally sad for the dogs and cats in shelters every time I see someone on about breeding them for pets.

Pugs ARE known as handbag, accessory dogs carried by wannabe WAGs which is why the OP could make such a lot of cash even from one litter. Plus do you realise what a horrendously messy and traumatic business whelping is, as well as being expensive and time-consuming?

I really hope you've done your homework, OP, and that this doesn't go badly. To answer your original question, I think you should declare it is it will probably come under windfall or capital rather than earnings.

I'd also be interested to see what the peeps on the Pet area of the forum make of this.

HBS x

gemma1979

heartbreak_star wrote: »

I feel exceptionally sad for the dogs and cats in shelters every time I see someone on about breeding them for pets.

Pugs ARE known as handbag, accessory dogs carried by wannabe WAGs which is why the OP could make such a lot of cash even from one litter. Plus do you realise what a horrendously messy and traumatic business whelping is, as well as being expensive and time-consuming?

I really hope you've done your homework, OP, and that this doesn't go badly. To answer your original question, I think you should declare it is it will probably come under windfall or capital rather than earnings.

I'd also be interested to see what the peeps on the Pet area of the forum make of this.

HBS x

Yes I am currently doing my homework.

And maybe in some circles pugs are the latest 'handbag accessory' but my homes will be vetted.

Also, a one-off litter is classed as capital as I have rang today..If it was a regular thing it would be income and if I was a breeding establishment it would be a form of self employment and requires licence and conditions to be met a breeding establishment is 5 or more litters per year as per direct gov website.

Anubis_2

gemma1979 wrote: »

Hi everyone

Thanks for your replies.

I do not want to get into the ethics of dog breeding here, as everyone has different opinions and it is a controversial topic, I merely want to know whether any profit I make (after expenses) needs to be declared or not, or if there is a limit I can have before declaring, or if it is a one-off (as it will be) does it need to be declared.

My pug has already had health checks and is clear, my friend is a kc accredited breeder and is helping me with the stud (so there is no fee) also clear on health checks, with the paperwork, whelping etc I have already priced up in the event of a caesarean, and obviously will give first injections worming fleaing etc.

In my area pug puppies sell for around £1000 per pup good kc pedigree so despite the outlays there is bound to be some sort of profit and I also wish to keep one of the pups for myself.

The reason I am considering breeding is purely because I want to.

My friend has clients and a kennelname so homes would be found, she is a professional breeder and has many contacts. I have not decided 100% yet as you can see a lot of thought is going into it and I have done my research. I just wanted to know from the benefits point of view.

Thanks

There, your statement in bold, speaks volumes. You are backstreet breeding no matter how you dress it up.

A decent breeder does it for the betterment of the breed - and knows the true cost. I am saddened by all these people in council houses you state breed - makes my blood boil, because they are doing it for a fast buck only.

Why all of the critisisms towards the OP?

The poor girl only wanted some advice as to the likely effect on her benefits if her pet had pups and she sold some of them.

What on earth has the moralistic attitude towards dog breedes got to do with the price of fish?

As for why people choose rescue dogs or specially bred ones - it's up to them.

Personally all of my choc labradors that I have over the years have come from specific breeders that bred from good quality working stock + they had to be of the 'old fashioned' big boned, big headed variety.

Try finding such a thing at Battersea.

The average cost of my dogs used to be upwards of £800 for a !!!!!, and that was 14 years ago!

No offence but you are talking utter and complete tosh, and your ignorance really shows in your statement in bold.

It beggars belief how ignorant people are regarding the reality of back street breeders and the plight of animal rescues. You have so very obviously never seen the reality of animal rescue places.

Chrissiew

Why would some wannabe wag want one as a handbag accessory? They are not exactly the prettiest looking dogs!

Notmyrealname

gemma1979 wrote: »

Hi everyone

Thanks for your replies.

I do not want to get into the ethics of dog breeding here, as everyone has different opinions and it is a controversial topic, I merely want to know whether any profit I make (after expenses) needs to be declared or not, or if there is a limit I can have before declaring, or if it is a one-off (as it will be) does it need to be declared.

Yes it has to be declared not only to DWP but HMRC as well.

Notmyrealname

gemma1979 wrote: »

Well she has 26 champions in her pedigree her father was in crufts she has excellent bloodlines including claybridge eastonite and marbleton she has clear health screens and has a beautiful character she is a wonderful example of the breed

Meaningless. What are her achievements? Has she won any champ shows? Is she qualified for Crufts?

gemma1979

Notmyrealname wrote: »

Meaningless. What are her achievements? Has she won any champ shows? Is she qualified for Crufts?

Erm..I don't mean to be rude but the health testing is not meanless - this is what many 'backstreet breeders' don't bother with to save on their profit margins.

She has won best open !!!!! and received a challenge certificate for this; this is the only show I have currently entered her for.