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Benefits and dog breeding

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  • sarahg1969
    sarahg1969 Posts: 6,694 Forumite
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    gemma1979 wrote: »
    Hi everyone

    Thanks for your replies.

    I do not want to get into the ethics of dog breeding here, as everyone has different opinions and it is a controversial topic, I merely want to know whether any profit I make (after expenses) needs to be declared or not, or if there is a limit I can have before declaring, or if it is a one-off (as it will be) does it need to be declared.

    My pug has already had health checks and is clear, my friend is a kc accredited breeder and is helping me with the stud (so there is no fee) also clear on health checks, with the paperwork, whelping etc I have already priced up in the event of a caesarean, and obviously will give first injections worming fleaing etc.

    In my area pug puppies sell for around £1000 per pup good kc pedigree so despite the outlays there is bound to be some sort of profit and I also wish to keep one of the pups for myself.

    The reason I am considering breeding is purely because I want to.

    My friend has clients and a kennelname so homes would be found, she is a professional breeder and has many contacts. I have not decided 100% yet as you can see a lot of thought is going into it and I have done my research. I just wanted to know from the benefits point of view.

    Thanks

    Why not do it, if that's what you want to do, and just declare it, and if the authorities decide that it affects your benefits, then so be it.
  • soolin
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    Don't forget the tax man as well .
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  • gemma1979
    gemma1979 Posts: 135 Forumite
    The tax man is not concerned with a one off litter I have already enquired
    Never judge a book by its cover :beer:
  • Yes, you will need to declare the money you receive for the puppies.

    Any profit you make on them will either be counted as regular income (if you intend to do this regularly), or will be counted as windfall capital. Both have an impact on your benefit.

    As you are intending, deliberately, to breed your dog it will in all probability be counted as income and your benefit will be stopped, at the rate you're talking about. If it's treated as capital then it will reduce your benefit if you go over £6,000.
  • gemma1979
    gemma1979 Posts: 135 Forumite
    I suspect if its one off it will be treated as capital rather than income as the income won't be regular it will be one off rather than continuing so I suspect it will be the £6000 thing (if it goes over that benefits reduced/stopped) but I am going to ring them Monday to clarify.
    Never judge a book by its cover :beer:
  • Anubis_2
    Anubis_2 Posts: 4,077 Forumite
    I would have to ask why, and yes, the ethics of dog breeding are IMPORTANT, regardless of views!

    There are enough back street unethical breeders around without adding to the list! KC Reg isn't worth the paper it is written on, so not sure why you reference it.

    Why not try and do some work getting shelter dogs homes rather than adding to the population for a fast buck?
    How people treat you becomes their karma; how you react becomes yours.
  • ~Chameleon~
    ~Chameleon~ Posts: 11,956 Forumite
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    Why all of the critisisms towards the OP?

    The poor girl only wanted some advice as to the likely effect on her benefits if her pet had pups and she sold some of them.

    What on earth has the moralistic attitude towards dog breedes got to do with the price of fish?

    As for why people choose rescue dogs or specially bred ones - it's up to them.

    Personally all of my choc labradors that I have over the years have come from specific breeders that bred from good quality working stock + they had to be of the 'old fashioned' big boned, big headed variety.

    Try finding such a thing at Battersea.

    The average cost of my dogs used to be upwards of £800 for a !!!!!, and that was 14 years ago!

    Perhaps because a Pug is the latest handbag accessory and the price tag of £1000 per pup is very attractive to backyard breeders, particularly those on benefits!!

    Tell me, how on earth can someone on benefits afford to have the necessary health tests done and have sufficient savings to afford the several £1000's vet fees will cost should complications occur necessitating a caesarian section, which they frequently do with these and other brachycephalic breeds.

    With due respect, your situation bares absolutely no comparison whatsoever :)
    “You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time.”
  • gemma1979
    gemma1979 Posts: 135 Forumite
    Perhaps because a Pug is the latest handbag accessory and the price tag of £1000 per pup is very attractive to backyard breeders, particularly those on benefits!!

    Tell me, how on earth can someone on benefits afford to have the necessary health tests done and have sufficient savings to afford the several £1000's vet fees will cost should complications occur necessitating a caesarian section, which they frequently do with these and other brachycephalic breeds.

    With due respect, your situation bares absolutely no comparison whatsoever :)

    Handbag accessory? Backyard breeders?

    ASSUMPTIONS my friend
    Never judge a book by its cover :beer:
  • ~Chameleon~
    ~Chameleon~ Posts: 11,956 Forumite
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    gemma1979 wrote: »
    Handbag accessory? Backyard breeders?

    ASSUMPTIONS my friend

    No, from vast experience!! I'm a vet and I can assure you that a caesarian will cost you far more than £700, that wouldn't even cover the surgery let alone all the other costs involved.
    “You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time.”
  • gemma1979
    gemma1979 Posts: 135 Forumite
    No, from vast experience!! I'm a vet and I can assure you that a caesarian will cost you far more than £700, that wouldn't even cover the surgery let alone all the other costs involved.

    Well I asked my vet and that was the price I have been given so might be different depending where in the country you live
    Never judge a book by its cover :beer:
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