5:2 diet

RichardD1970

Mr_helpful wrote: »

A calorie is a unit of energy. 1 pound of uranium will deliver a lot more than 3500 calories in anuclear reactor. 3500 calories do not weigh 1 pound You are confusing biology with physics which to be fair is what the diet industry wants you to do 2 pounds of protein would give the same energy as a pound of fat so you could say burn 3500 calories and lose 2 pounds. Both would be complete rubbish

What are you on about?

No one is on about uranium, you're just being silly now.

1 pound of fat is commonly equated to equal 3500 calories which is what the poster was on about.

Mr_helpful

RichardD1970 wrote: »

What are you on about?

No one is on about uranium, your just being silly now.

1 pound of fat is commonly equated to equal 3500 calories which is what the poster was on about.

And a pound of protein is also commonly equated to about1750 calories.
Both are in fact rubbish. As I said confusing physics with biology
The uranium reference was to show weight has sod all to do with calories.

Any

Congratulations Pink Petal!!
Sorry to see you leaving Chameleon, but I am sure we will meet again on another board.

Fast day for me today. Banana, chicken stock with vegetables and roast white fish with roast veggies today.

Having counted the calories in our meals etc I actually think I eat the same as a man should (600 cals), even though I should probably eat more like 400-450 according to the provided calculator..
BUT because I eat good things on these days, it keeps me away from alcohol and my OH keeps loosing good amount and begs me to continue I decided not to worry about it too much. I am ready to finish - I am under 9st now (just!) and I feel the difference on my waist!! But as I say, he wants to loose another half a stone so I said o.k., we will go on for a bit longer (after we will do maintenance, the 1 day in a week).
Last monday I even had a 1 square of chocolate. Had low blood sugar (I do get that sometimes, I think because of red wine the night before!) and felt like I need something to carry me to dinner. And I managed to loose 2 lb the week I decided I won't be too harsh on myself!
One thing this diet had really taught me... You do not need the amount of sides such as potatoes and rice we normally had to feel full, you don't need to starve to get under 600 cals and that cake is O.K. to have as long as you don't have it every day!
My OH has learned that having lunches from home saves him fortune:-), he does not need to eat crisps until they are all gone and that fish is a good thing (not that he hated it before, but it wouldn't be his chosen dish unless it was in fish & chips!!).

adouglasmhor

Mr_helpful wrote: »

And a pound of protein is also commonly equated to about1750 calories.
Both are in fact rubbish. As I said confusing physics with biology
The uranium reference was to show weight has sod all to do with calories.

Actually they are not rubbish but based on the energy released as the food is burned in a bomb calorimeter, this is not the same as is released by the human digestive system, but will always be higher as it is the maximum stored chemical energy in the foodstuff. Obviously as human beings can't actually digest uranium your including it is flim flam and poppycock.

On the other hand certain creatures in the fictional writings of Terry Pratchet can and do digest minerals and rocks, they are called trolls.
Trolls and fiction, and not for the first time on this thread.

ALIBOBSY

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

This will be my last contribution to this thread as I will be unsubscribing after this post but wanted to offer you all something to read and think about in regards to using only scales to monitor your weight loss.

Measuring your weight alone tells you NOTHING about the quality of the weight you are losing.

How do you know if you are losing fat, water, or worse, muscle? If you are using just a scale you have no idea. Losing or gaining 5 pounds of fat over a weekend is physiologically impossible, but the scale has convinced many that it can happen. A significant portion of those playing the weight loss game believe the weight they lose or gain on a day to day basis is fat. And the popular media and weight loss experts do nothing to help them understand that not only is this not true, but it also is one of the major reasons they continue to suffer from yo-yo weight regain and can’t lose fat as they age.

You can read more here....

Haven't read all the previous arguments, but agree with posters after yours, that you are on the wrong thread.

For me I like the 5:2 diet exactly BECAUSE it isn't one of these "lose a stone in a week!" type diets. I can see over a period of 8 months that I HAVE lost fat. I had a double chin and 2 spare tyres full of fat that have shrunk or gone. That's not lean muscle or water. There have been weeks where the scale shows no change, tbh I don't even weigh myself on the week of my period as I always bloat that week. I can physically see I am stronger can move faster and better and am in clothes that haven't fitted for years.

For me this is not nor even has been a diet, I have believe me tried them all over the years. This is a lifestyle choice and for me is as much about the probably benefits of the fasts as much as anything else. The fasts have helped me gain control of my eating in a way no other diets came close to. For the first time since I was a teenager I don't get overwhelming sugar/chocolate cravings.

I have had weeks where the scale shows no change or even small increases, then the next week down a pound. Weight gain for most is a slow long term event and 5:2 simply creates a way to do the weight loss in the same slow way. Not loses every week and certainly not big loses, but over a longer period it is a slow descent.

TBH BMI is a joke and basically came from almost random insurance bands. The inventor only ever intended them to be used in respect of groups of people not individuals so I pretty much ignore them. I will stay on 5:2 because it makes me feel better. Once I am a weight I feel comfortable with I will either go to 6:1 or perhaps stay 5:2 as I like the fasts, but increase my cals for my evening meal.

Ali x

lostinrates

Look, we have been here before with mr helpful and asked him to accept we don't value his input on this thread.

I find mr helpful a different kettle of fish entirely to chameleon, who is literate, reasoned and sensible, even of not of always the same opinions as I, (that's more than allowed IMO! Its valuable ) and the fact chameleon has respected feedback from thread users probably clearly shows that difference.

Mr_helpful

adouglasmhor wrote: »

No and my post actually mentions that.
The fact you have such limited reading skills explains all of yours though.

The point was your bomb calorimeter is as irrelevant as my uranium.
The thing is a calore has virtually no weight. water has no calories yet if I drink 2 litres of water at 4deg c the effect on my body of the same 2 litres at 70deg C is rather different.. now in fact the hot water is slightly lighter as it goes in but it carries calorific energy. My 2 litres of hot water is probably worth about 120 Kcals so do you calculate this into the equation when you have a few cups of tea or coffee?

adouglasmhor

How would someone's body convert the calorific load of the water to useable energy to power the life processes? Your body would use a small amount obviously in heating the cold water in your stomach to body temprature.
I can't fuel my body by having a hot bath. So what are you waffling about?
Food as fuel and building bricks is what we are on about here. Not your pseudo scientific new age mumbo jumbo mixed with a very slight knowledge of thermodynamics.

RichardD1970

Please, the best thing is just to ignore Mr Helpful, don't get drawn into an discussion with him.

Not very easy I know, I was guilty myself the other day.

If he gets no attention then maybe he will disappear again and leave this thread for what it's meant to be about.

Mr_helpful

adouglasmhor wrote: »

How would someone's body convert the calorific load of the water to useable energy to power the life processes? Your body would use a small amount obviously in heating the cold water in your stomach to body temprature.
I can't fuel my body by having a hot bath. So what are you waffling about?
Food as fuel and building bricks is what we are on about here. Not your pseudo scientific new age mumbo jumbo mixed with a very slight knowledge of thermodynamics.

Oh Dear. Your body looks to food for energy and nutrients. Starve it of either and it doesnt like it. It starts storing sand increasing fat levels. Much of the energy goes on keeping your body in a very narrow temperature band. If you drink water at a high temperature your body can shut down the heat process saving you calories on the other hand drink ice cold water and your body has to start the heater up. water has no countable calories though but it does have the ability to affect your body. There is much more going on than simply using an arbitary calorie guideline