Sending freepost items recorded?

custardy

now to really fry your noodle
what about these
http://shop.royalmail.com/postage-supplies+stationery/pre-paid-envelopes/icat/cat120/
Who paid for the postage and who is paying for the recorded or SD on them(safeboxes for example are often sent SD)

sniggings

theonlywayisup wrote: »

So look at it this way, perhaps a basic illustration will help ....

Freepost is post paid by the licence holder. As the licence holder I either give you the freepost address or send you the envelope. I send you the envelope which is fully paid, so a bit like having an envelope with the stamps already on. Freepost is either first or second class. The stamps are in effect already there, no different to PPI. If you want to enhance the service with recorded signed for, you add it at the post office by paying for that service alone.

The reason people cannot see specifics relating to freepost being available with recorded on the RM website is that they are ignoring the fact RM treat it as first or second class post. RM don't differentiate, it is first or second class mail, just paid for on a licence.

Post office staff do get it wrong, frequently.

You can look at it anyway you want but it's best to look at it correctly Freepost is not prepaid is does not get charged for until it arrives at the delivery office local to the delivery address, as it has not been charged for yet, so therefore it is not the same as a stamped letter, maybe a small difference but still a difference.

You say RM don't differentiate between freepost and other post, this is totally wrong, stamped mail have extra protection, mailsort, which is the stuff with the "M" stamp on all have different conditions of carriage, so saying they are all the same if daft, and shows you have no understanding of a business offering different products to suit different needs.

Freepost is charged for at point of delivery, stamps at the point of sending that different alone is enough to explain why the two are not treated the same AS THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

theonlywayisup

sniggings wrote: »

You say RM don't differentiate between freepost and other post, this is totally wrong, stamped mail have extra protection, mailsort, which is the stuff with the "M" stamp on all have different conditions of carriage, so saying they are all the same if daft, and shows you have no understanding of a business offering different products to suit different needs.

I was trying to keep things simple so that you would understand

I didn't say all mail was the same. I was saying that RM do not differentiate between first/second and freepost in their T&C on the section regarding RD. As RD is an enhancement.

Mailsort came from you not me!

sniggings

custardy wrote: »

really? interesting
They must have done away with all the machine sorted BRs then?

I din't say they didnt have machines but many freepost items are counted by people, unless they get many thousands of letters a day, my local office has no machines and all freepost is counted by hand, we have a national company in our area who get a thousand or so letters a day, all are counted one by one by a poor stressed out postie.

sniggings

theonlywayisup wrote: »

I was trying to keep things simple so that you would understand

I didn't say all mail was the same. I was saying that RM do not differentiate between first/second and freepost in their T&C on the section regarding RD. As RD is an enhancement.

Mailsort came from you not me!

I mentioned mailsort to help you understand there is a difference between services

You say "to enhance a service" which really means to change a service from one thing to another which is what makes you wrong, Royal Mail and the Government have set strict rules on each service,this is why you can't just "enhance" a service at will.

Anyway, I am done here as I have made my argument on facts where the rest of you are "looking at it" from how you think it should work.

custardy

sniggings wrote: »

I din't say they didnt have machines but many freepost items are counted by people, unless they get many thousands of letters a day, my local office has no machines and all freepost is counted by hand, we have a national company in our area who get a thousand or so letters a day, all are counted one by one by a poor stressed out postie.

no 'local' office does
The mail centes do it through their sequencing machines

custardy

sniggings wrote: »

I mentioned mailsort to help you understand there is a difference between services

You say "to enhance a service" which really means to change a service from one thing to another which is what makes you wrong, Royal Mail and the Government have set strict rules on each service,this is why you can't just "enhance" a service at will.

Anyway, I am done here as I have made my argument on facts where the rest of you are "looking at it" from how you think it should work.

Looks like I'll have to unleash the big guns then

buggritt

One useful thing from this thread is not to believe everything you read on the net.
I worked for the royal mail group and trained PO staff for a few years. It was normal to find different ways of doing things in each office.
Passport checking was something I had to go sort out all over the place, as there was no consistency in the way the rules were applied.
As for mail being treated differently, well of course it is.
Any method of postage cam be enhanced by recorded. It gets a bit complicated when using Special, as that is sorted in a different way.
It also makes no difference when the postage is paid for, on dispatch or receipt. Despite what you read, a tiny amount of post is lost.

theonlywayisup

sniggings wrote: »

I mentioned mailsort to help you understand there is a difference between services

You say "to enhance a service" which really means to change a service from one thing to another which is what makes you wrong, Royal Mail and the Government have set strict rules on each service,this is why you can't just "enhance" a service at will.

Anyway, I am done here as I have made my argument on facts where the rest of you are "looking at it" from how you think it should work.

I know the difference in services. Clearly you don't!

Enhance the service is NOT changing the service. RD is an enhancement to either first or second class, it doesn't change from first or second, it clearly carries an enhancement ie to be signed for.

Anyway, custardy has cleared this up.

marking_bad

custardy wrote: »

Looks like I'll have to unleash the big guns then

Great that we've got an answer and a source, thanks a lot.

I'll probably email them or write them a letter when I get round to it for something more formal and hopefully detailed, but good to know.