Kids and Small Hotels and Breakfast Time Nightmares

Lunar_Eclipse

Lotus-eater wrote: »

Alot of assumptions there. I enjoy going on holiday with my kids I like my kids and enjoy spending time with them.

I haven't said there is something wrong if you dare to go without your kids on holiday, but our holidays are precious, we don't get many and can't afford a lot, so I want to go with my kids.

I don't need to take them with me on every holiday with us, I want to take them on every holiday with us.

Why do you feel the need to attack something you don't understand?

My husband feels exactly the same. He loves spending as much time with our children as possible. He would spend every minute of every day with us if he could (or so he thinks.)

We have holidayed without the kids and enjoy time together as a couple, but we miss them when they're not with us, in the same way that I miss my husband when he's away on business, for example. I know everyone doesn't feel this way, but if you genuinely adore your family, get on well and love being together, it's natural to always want to holiday with them.

Lunar_Eclipse

Welshwoofs wrote: »

Why is so difficult to understand that I'm merely stating.....and this is what we call a general statement here.....that kids don't need to go on holiday with their parents (and remember...that's 'people', which is a collective noun and not a personal pronoun) and that holiday can be good couples time...sans children?

But as a general statement, people don't need to go on holiday.

Also, kids go wherever their parents/guardians dictate.

Lotus-eater

raven83 wrote: »

WW is always on the attack, and from what I can gather from other post she has made, doesn't care much for children.

I know, I've seen her other posts calling people "breeders" if they dare to have kids
Eloquent posts, but devoid of feeling.

Lunar_Eclipse wrote: »

My husband feels exactly the same. He loves spending as much time with our children as possible. He would spend every minute of every day with us if he could (or so he thinks.)

We have holidayed without the kids and enjoy time together as a couple, but we miss them when they're not with us, in the same way that I miss my husband when he's away on business, for example. I know everyone doesn't feel this way, but if you genuinely adore your family, get on well and love being together, it's natural to always want to holiday with them.

Absolutely, when I've been away without them, I'm always thinking, she would love this, or he would love this
I love being a part of my family and if someone can't understand that, then fine, that's your POV, but don't tell me what's wrong and what's right, when you don't have a family and look down your nose on people that do.

DKLS

shellsuit wrote: »

You're not a parent are you, so you would have NO idea how hard it can be.

I may not be a parent NOW, but I was one for 12 yrs, Also I have 6 nieces and nephews so whilst I might not have the wide experience that you may have in parenting I would hardly say I have NO idea.

euripidesralph

Is it possible this thread is more about differing circumstances , theres a bit of right on both sides.

I am expecting my first and have nieces and nephews. I already adore mine and love all children orientated things, but must admit I cant bear being in a hotel or restaurant with others children. Absolutely some are beautifully behaved (and I am hoping mine might be a bit) but a lot are obnoxious and badly behaved. I probably would avoid a hoard like that as well

In the nicest possible way, those that swear blind their little angels would never behave like that may be a little too well meaning. I love my niece and nephew but my goodness they can be a pain. I am not blinded by rose tinted glasses.

Perhaps everyone could see it from someone elses point of view?

Welshwoofs

Lunar_Eclipse wrote: »

But as a general statement, people don't need to go on holiday.

No, indeed 'people' don't need to go on holidays. They need rest time away from work, which is a different thing.

So just to get this clear, people (in general) don't need to go on holiday with their kids all the time, but some prefer to do so just as some prefer not to.....and those that don't aren't less loving or worse parents.

Fair conclusion?

Now back to the point of the thread - it's also perfectly acceptable for people to prefer to have time away from children (whether that's their own children or children in general) and they should be able to express that preference without being called grumpy old gits.

Also a fair conclusion?

shellsuit

DKLS wrote: »

I may not be a parent NOW, but I was one for 12 yrs, Also I have 6 nieces and nephews so whilst I might not have the wide experience that you may have in parenting I would hardly say I have NO idea.

I'm sorry, I just remember you saying you didn't have children and didn't ever want children (think it was on one of the wedding threads?!), so that's what I based that particular response on.

(Unless I've got the completely wrong person! )

Welshwoofs

Lotus-eater wrote: »

I know, I've seen her other posts calling people "breeders" if they dare to have kids
Eloquent posts, but devoid of feeling.

Yup, I've termed people who've had multitudes of kids 'breeders' - a biologically accurate term and one I use a bit tongue in cheek (If you've ever watched Matthew Wright you'll understand the reference). I've also said many times that as global human population is the biggest challenge man faces and is the root cause of many issues we have today (and you don't need to take my word for that because it's a scientific consensus), I believe it's preferable to have no more children than it takes to replace yourself.

By the way - could you elaborate on why you feel I am devoid of feeling? Does 'feeling' only come with Motherhood? I know myself pretty well - certainly better than you know me anyway and I'm very far from being 'devoid of feeling'. Being dispassionate about kids doesn't equate to being dispassionate about everything.

jellyhead

Welshwoofs wrote: »

So just to get this clear, people (in general) don't need to go on holiday with their kids all the time, but some prefer to do so just as some prefer not to.....and those that don't aren't less loving or worse parents.

Fair conclusion?

Yes, but I still think the man complaining of being dragged on a family day out sounds awful. I'm glad he's not my father (looking back, I suppose he could have been - that's probably influenced my choice of husband because I knew I wanted one who would spend time with us).

I won't say I'm glad he's not my husband, because I wouldn't stay with someone like that.

He's behaving like the worst of the whiny, sulky children that are being discussed in this thread.

shellsuit

Welshwoofs wrote: »

No, indeed 'people' don't need to go on holidays. They need rest time away from work, which is a different thing.

So just to get this clear, people (in general) don't need to go on holiday with their kids all the time, but some prefer to do so just as some prefer not to.....and those that don't aren't less loving or worse parents.

Fair conclusion?

Now back to the point of the thread - it's also perfectly acceptable for people to prefer to have time away from children (whether that's their own children or children in general) and they should be able to express that preference without being called grumpy old gits.

Also a fair conclusion?

I'm a stay at home Mum, so I do need a holiday, as I can't get away from my 'place of work' as I live there.

Does that count?


Of course I miss the kids when we've been away without them, I think I was even one of those who have said "Nooo, I couldn't go away without them!!" in the past, but going away without them is what makes me appreciate them and my husband all the more and I don't know why we didn't do it sooner!

They have never gone without, let me point that out. If we've been away without them, we've always took them away before or after that.

The older 2 are teenagers anyway, so as long as they are fed and get a couple of quid here and there, they are happy. The little fella adores my Dad (who has them here when we go away), so it's not like he is missing out at all.